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Post by jamescat1 on Aug 2, 2017 23:14:25 GMT
IMO it is overwhelming to state a goal when you have a lot to lose. Even when you have less to lose, it's rewarding to add the smaller amounts.
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Post by pbnj on Aug 3, 2017 0:28:19 GMT
IMO it is overwhelming to state a goal when you have a lot to lose. Even when you have less to lose, it's rewarding to add the smaller amounts. Definitely is overwhelming to state a goal at the very beginning of what may be a long weight lose journey! Setting smaller goals was instrumental in helping me this last time. Every other time I went in with the mindset that I was going to lose 50 lbs!! This time I aimed for 5 lbs and managed to get to 45 lbs over time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 0:38:34 GMT
I read the article and enjoyed it.However I'm still online only and once a week when I record my weight it still shows what my weight range should be.Sure they didn't ask me to set a goal but the range is still there to show you what they think you should weigh.
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Post by Jennifer on Aug 3, 2017 12:45:56 GMT
I enjoyed the article, thanks for posting.
I think like any business that hopes to stay alive, ww has got to "speak" to the needs of the members and potential members.
For me, I still hear Jean's voice... "put the fork down".
So how ever they fluff it to adapt to the times, what really speaks to me personally is the nitty gritty.
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Post by Jennifer on Aug 3, 2017 12:51:44 GMT
I read the article and enjoyed it.However I'm still online only and once a week when I record my weight it still shows what my weight range should be.Sure they didn't ask me to set a goal but the range is still there to show you what they think you should weigh. WW weight ranges are based on BMI of 20 to 25. I don't think it's ww that decides what we should weigh.. I found this on the CDC website. If your BMI is less than 18.5, it falls within the underweight range. If your BMI is 18.5 to 24.9, it falls within the normal or Healthy Weight range. If your BMI is 25.0 to 29.9, it falls within the overweight range. If your BMI is 30.0 or higher, it falls within the obese range.
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Post by NatureLover on Aug 3, 2017 14:38:32 GMT
I found this interesting since making your goal weight still seems important, esp. if you want to be a LT member. Someone on the GDT board said naming your goal isn't mentioned when you first join now. I joined in 2011 and nothing was said then about my goal until I was 5# away of the top of the range for my height. I thought the article was interesting but wonder how this "Beyond the Scale" will be evaluated in 5 years. People may feel more accepting of their obesity but I also wonder about accepting the hard truth that less weight can mean better health. During the time I worked for WWers we never asked a new member what their goal weight would be. The leader would initiate a discussion about goal weight when the member reached their 10% goal, or sooner if the member brought it up. I think I worked for WWers from 2006 to 2012. Same here. We encouraged folks to take it one week at a time, one day at a time and make the journey enjoyable as possible.
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Post by gadgetgirlil on Aug 3, 2017 17:35:16 GMT
People may feel more accepting of their obesity but I also wonder about accepting the hard truth that less weight can mean better health. This. Eventually the excess weight will take its toll on your joints. While I had intermittent problems with my knees and back in my 30's and early 40's from being morbidly obese, I really noticed at age 50 how just an extra 40 pounds caused my knee to hurt enough that it was impairing my ability to do my job. While many chronic diseases can remain unnoticed for a long time, joint issues that affect your mobility and in turn your independence certainly get your attention.
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Post by squid on Aug 3, 2017 19:18:54 GMT
Related to this, one of the things that drives me crazy is when I hear very overweight women describe themselves as "curvy" or say they're in love with their curves. No honey, those are not curves, they are rolls of fat! Raquel Welch, Loni Anderson, Elizabeth Taylor, and Marilyn Monroe are curvy. You, sweetheart, have gone way beyond that.
Roz
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Post by bbbearsmom on Aug 3, 2017 19:31:34 GMT
Jennifer, I agree, the nitty-gritty is what gets it done for me. It has been people telling me "like it is" that have helped me, too nice or soft I miss the message. On the BMI I wonder why WW has the bottom of their normal/healthy range be 20 instead of 18.5? gadgetgirlil, Great looking cats. squid, I agree about "curvy." Found out from my leader that this article will be the front page article of the NYT's Sunday Magazine this Sunday.
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Post by gadgetgirlil on Aug 3, 2017 20:11:27 GMT
bbbearsmom, Thanks! Loretta is the gray kitty we adopted in 2015. Toodles was adopted in 2009. They are best buddies!
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Post by sullicat1 on Aug 3, 2017 21:26:29 GMT
I'll have to reread the article but I guess it's just me that actually found the article kind of depressing.
As for goal weight, it is overwhelming. When I first started back in the early 90's, you were given a goal weight & it was pretty much written in stone. Once I made LT I gained a few pounds because there was no way in hell I could maintain the goal weight that was set for me without chewing off my arm. But with that extra 3-4 lbs, I maintained for many years.
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Post by bbbearsmom on Aug 3, 2017 21:58:55 GMT
sullicat1, I can see your point about the article being depressing. I think it is sad that the author has such a problem with her weight and can't seem to figure out what works for her. I am way too old for the problem with worrying about how you losing weight will affect your friends. I also did this for my health so for me it was a no-brainer although I could have let my health go I guess.
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Post by finreporter on Aug 3, 2017 22:01:15 GMT
Related to this, one of the things that drives me crazy is when I hear very overweight women describe themselves as "curvy" or say they're in love with their curves. No honey, those are not curves, they are rolls of fat! Raquel Welch, Loni Anderson, Elizabeth Taylor, and Marilyn Monroe are curvy. You, sweetheart, have gone way beyond that.
Roz completely agree. i know that it's good to accept oneself and love oneself as one is. and i've always felt guilty for thinking this, but i just cannot get on board with the overweight acceptance movement. it is scientifically proven to not be healthy to have extra weight. especially around the middle. this is not just people thinking it's gross and disdainful (although there are plenty of assholes out there that do say "ugh you're just fat and gross" and i am NOT onboard with that at all), it's fact. it is not healthy. my mom's doctor told her that he's never treated an obese 80 year old. my mom is 68 and obese and he was trying to hit her with hard truth that you will not survive much longer at this weight. i am all for loving oneself while trying to get healthier and not pandering to photoshop to look tiny as can be, but accepting to maintain an obese frame is just foolish to me.
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Post by mattlaura on Aug 3, 2017 22:35:11 GMT
Thanks for posting this wildcat, I read it yesterday and it really hit on all the points for me. I really enjoyed it and I can relate to a lot of what was said. This is a hard struggle and I wondered if anyone at WW would read it and talk about it. I am not sure if WW can survive but it is needed even it people want to believe they can do it themselves. I know I can't, I've tried.
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Post by sullicat1 on Aug 3, 2017 23:09:38 GMT
Judy, I am also losing weight for health reasons. And we all do have to find our own way. In all the years I've been dieting and going back & forth to WW, one thing I just discovered this week-the more stress I have about losing, the more angst I suffer when I don't lose-basically results in not losing. For me, letting go of that stress, trying to make healthier choices, puts things in a better perspective.
I just read an article last week about being "overfat." The gist of the article is that it matters where your excess weight is located. As Fin said, the middle is the worst place. This article also stated that there are people whose BMI does not put them in an obese class, but they are overfat because of where they are carrying the fat & that may be more dangerous than being obese.
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