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Post by nashville11 on Oct 3, 2017 12:26:12 GMT
We are a group of like-minded people that gather to discuss a host of topics from weight loss, to current events. Our thread celebrates liberal diversity, welcomes new friends, and respects all opinions. We count everything from calories to points but, we never count our chickens before they are hatched.
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Post by nashville11 on Oct 3, 2017 12:27:32 GMT
Jimmy Kimmel says the NRA has politicians balls in a money clip. He's right.
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Post by birdgal on Oct 3, 2017 12:45:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 13:10:44 GMT
"What happend in las Vegas is in many ways a miracle. The police department has done such an incredible job. We'll be talking about gun laws as time goes by." — President Trump
Can a President put out a more idiotic statement than that?
I saw the Jimmy Kimmel clip last night before I went to bed. I tossed & turned all night.
When I saw the Statue of Liberty pic , I thought, OMG, that is EXACTLY how I feel everyday anymore!...
I'm so tired of the excuse, "today is not the time to talk about gun control"... Well, it wasn't the time for 59 people to die at a concert, it wasn't the time for 527 + to end up in a trauma hospital ER. Prayer & moments of silence are fine, but when you get off your knees & raise your head, get to work changing the laws on gun control. Not tomorrow, not someday, NOW! ..so, yes, Pat, I hope they choose a different button too!
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Post by nashville11 on Oct 3, 2017 13:10:48 GMT
I'm afraid the post from yesterday (was it Linda's?), that said once we decided we could let it slide when innocent children were slaughtered it's not likely anything is going to be done now may be right.
The man owned 42 firearms!!! How can that possibly be considered normal in anyone's book? How can guns that are designed solely for the purpose of killing the most people in the shortest amount of time possibly be considered acceptable for any ordinary citizen to own? How can we allow people who we already know have mental illness purchase a gun? How can it be ok to not be allowed to get on an airplane and yet be allowed to buy a gun?
The answer is that this is all sheer madness, and it is all being controlled by the NRA. Our politicians have sold not just their souls, but they have sold our lives and the lives of those we love to the highest bidder, and yet we continue to sit on the sidelines and do nothing. The rest of the world shakes their head in bewilderment that we who proclaim ourselves to be the greatest country on earth continue to not just allow but to aid and abet this senseless slaughter against our own.
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Post by nashville11 on Oct 3, 2017 13:14:02 GMT
Very well said, Linda! Amen!!
The JA did put out an idiotic statement, and if this is not the time to talk about gun laws then when the hell will it be?!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 13:22:41 GMT
There was a musician at the concert who had performed earlier. He was very NRA, very all about protecting his rights as a gun owner, etc. Well evidently he has had a "Come to Jesus" moment & now is apologizing for all of that & calling for action to change the laws on gun control. So, while all that is fine & good ( makes a hell of a difference when you are directly involved, doesn't it!?!?) how long will that feeling last, will he actually get personally involved, and how many others will follow suit, because it will take many many many like him to change the laws & fight back against the NRA & all their lobbying efforts. If I find the link again, I will post it. Thinking I saw the story on Huff Post.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 13:27:04 GMT
If you were the Mayor of San Jaun would you meet & greet with JA in Chief today? Honestly, if it were me, I would not. JA will just do something to try & humiliate & embarrass her, for sure!!! I hope she doesn't but I would bet she is a much better person than I in taking the higher ground.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 13:43:20 GMT
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Post by nashville11 on Oct 3, 2017 13:45:05 GMT
I shared with you that one of the victims from Las Vegas had a family connection to me, although I did not know him personally. He grew up in the same small community where I was raised, and all my friends who still live there have been affected deeply. One friend shared this message that was written by Sonny's father. It's very moving, or at least it was for me. I'm sure it's not unique, but rather very much the feelings of all those fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, wives. Heartbreaking. Here are the words of James Melton, Sonny's father . . .
"My Thoughts about Sonny and heroes. If my calculations are correct, In my 62 years, I have seen about 22,623 sunrises in my life. As of this past Sunday morning, I had never really experienced one that I couldn't find at least some good in and I had never, ever hated anyone. And I mean that, not anyone. Well, as of 12:57 am Monday morning Oct. 1, 2017 I am now well acquainted with both horrible things, a hated day and a hated person. That's the moment I received the telephone call that everyone, especially a parent fears. The words came fast from the phone's speaker, too fast as I tried to wake up and shake the sleep stupid feeling off. 30 seconds later, I prayed to be sleep stupid, drunk, having a nightmare or crazy. But, as they say, it is what it is. James Sonny, my youngest son at 29 years of age, was dead. Bullets in his back as he lay over his wife, protecting her as best he could with all he had available, his body. Shot by some sick bastard too cowardly to even look him in his eyes as he snuffed the life out my child. Oh No, this guy did it from 32 floors up and 300 yards away. As I understand it now, it was just bullets fired wildly into a crowd of about 20,000 country music fans. A crowd where Sonny just happened to be with his wife, listening to music. However, this crowd turned out to be a target of several acres in size with a 99% chance to make a hit on a human body with most every single shot fired into it. And in this sea of carnage, Sonny was a hero right up until the bullets pierced his back and lungs and he couldn't go on. But my tale of heroes doesn't end there folks, not at all. As Sonny and Heather ran away from the sniper, he always kept his own body between the danger and his wife. A running human shield. Heather says he had his hands on her shoulders and she felt him get hit and start to fall. And even though she was only a few yards from the safety of a concrete retaining wall, she stopped and turned around to kneel by his side. She made a quick exam and yelled for help as dozens of others fell around them. Bullets hitting the concrete so near that the resulting dust irritated her eyes. But she stayed right there and started CPR there out in the open on the cold ground in a last ditch chance to save her husband. Don't you see, Heather is a hero also. Protected by nothing more than the grace of God's invisible hands, she stayed with him and I'm comforted now knowing my son didn't have to die alone. And that's not all! Suddenly out of the blue came two more angelsThese angels were in the form of two young concert goers who chose not to hide or run away. These two guys braved the hell of that killing field that must have resembled the Marines landing on Omaha Beach. They ran to Sonny and Heather, picked him up and carried him all the way to their pickup truck. There, they loaded Sonny and two other victims into the bed of the truck and raced to the closest hospital. One guy driving, the other helping Heather give CPR to Sonny. We don't even know these guys names, they asked for no praise or reward. They just said they were sorry they couldn't have gotten to Sonny quicker. They are heroes! But, it just wasn't enough. Heather cried as hope slipped away and the doctors in the ER pronounced him dead. Sonny was an ER Nurse himself. Once when I asked him why, he just smiled and in a matter of fact way said "I want to help save people's lives". Well, he lived up to that high standard until the very bitter end. I know I'm not the first to feel these horrible things, like grief and loss and I'll certainly not be the last, but I sure wish I could be. Because it hurts, man I mean it really hurts. A few years ago, I had a really good friend who was an American Indian. (Now dead from the cancer that robbed him of life in the end) His people have a prayer that he often recited that always touched my heart. I can't remember it word for word, but I have repeated it often in my own words. "Please God, let me live honorably and when I take my last breath, let me die standing tall protecting my family". I haven't had the opportunity to finalized those words yet for me, and it may not even be in my future. But Sonny did. He stood the final test. He was Just a good guy, doing what good guys do. He was a hero. I truly thank our Lord that we had Sonny for these past 29 years and I like to believe I even helped him a little grow into the great young man he was. Susan, Janie and I made the 5 hour flight to Los Vegas without a total breakdown only because of the employees of Southwest Airlines who went above and beyond to help, one flight attendant even took us by the hand to his personal car and drove us to find Heather in this strange city. I say this so that I don't loose sight of the fact that there also good people everywhere. My hatred of the shooter may diminish given enough time, again I'm not the first to bare this burden. But right now, that's not an option. As an ex cop, I share the frustration of the SWAT officer we heard about who was crying because the shooter killed himself before the cops could breach the door and take care of that ugly business themselves. Like I said, a coward. To all the folks who have tried to call or text me or Janie or Susan, please don't be mad if we didn't answer. Or If I've misspelled words in this letter, it's difficult to see clearly through tear filled eyes. We are all just overwhelmed right now. Prayers for Sonny, Heather, Susan and Janie and I are appreciated beyond belief. The grief has us now firmly in its relentless grip and this evil day has lasted way too long. Once again my prayer is to just be sleep stupid and have this sadness go away, even for just a few hours till I wake to my new, changed and darker world. Sonny was a hero.
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Post by birdgal on Oct 3, 2017 13:55:27 GMT
"Very well said, Linda! Amen!!"
I second that!
A very long time ago when I was an active church member we had a slogan, "Pray as if it all depends on God, and act as if it all depends on you!" Can we agree enough thoughts and prayers have been sent out? Isn't it time we start taking a brave and bold action to end this American insanity?
I have a feeling the answer would be NO! We caved when children sitting in their classroom were gunned down like fish in a barrel why would we do anything now?
We will probably have this same debate (as if sanity is debatable) the next time another madman points and shoots!
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Post by birdgal on Oct 3, 2017 14:05:07 GMT
Joyce, thank you for sharing that letter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 14:07:08 GMT
Oh my goodness, Joyce. I saw the profile on Sonny right after it happened. His wife was also interviewed. How ironic it turns out that he was a relative of yours. So very sorry!
i had a hard time reading it because of the tears in my eyes. 😢
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Post by yogamama007 on Oct 3, 2017 14:47:46 GMT
Joyce- That was one heart felt letter HOW HE HAD THE STRENGTH TO WRITE IT. Thank you for sharing. I pray everyone in this country reads it, having your child for 29 years isn't enough, those parents and Heather will never be the same. Ever!
Linda,Joyce, Pat my tears are mingling with yours today. If only tears could make it better and wake up the people who support the NRA.
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Post by nashville11 on Oct 3, 2017 16:34:37 GMT
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