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Post by wildcat on Nov 21, 2017 0:43:09 GMT
A lot of people probably don't see corn, peas or yogurt as a replacement for meat. Tofu and beans yes, but those are sort of polarizing foods- I know in the meeting a few weeks ago where the topic was plant based protein there was a pretty significant contingent that wasn't a fan of either (including my leader, who is a pretty picky eater). And, at least here in the US, I think the majority of people build their meals around some kind of meat or fish, and I imagine it might be the same in the UK. So deciding to eat beans instead of beef would be a big change in mindset. I can see why people wouldn't like these changes, it just always annoys me to see violent hatred of new plans when the person hasn't even tried it. Luckily I don't see that on this board at all.
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Post by bee on Nov 21, 2017 1:11:39 GMT
Wilcat, I am glad that beans, yogurt and peas are free now. I don't eat corn except in a shrimp and corn bisque. Other than chicken and some canned tune and salmon, I am not a big beef eater, or pork.
So count me as a happy camper.
My Mom used to make a delicious green pea salad. Made it the same way she made tater salad, except subbed the peas. When I make it, I omit the pickles and throw in some shredded cheese.
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Post by jamescat1 on Nov 21, 2017 1:14:56 GMT
Vegetarians eat lots of beans, tofu etc. for their protein. I think WW was not that friendly for vegans or vegetarians. I like to cook beans as a main course and we have them in chili and in soups. People are not being forced to eat a set menu so they should find what makes them satisfied and not worry about what others are eating. When you are poor, beans are a very inexpensive filling food to eat.
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Post by Kitty on Nov 21, 2017 1:18:13 GMT
wildcat, I am not suggesting those things as a replacement for meat. What I am suggesting is using them as a replacement for some of the OTHER pointed foods they eat. That is, not so much have beans instead of beef for dinner. But, maybe have beans or corn instead of potatoes or rice that night and save the points on the beans and use them on the meat. The objection I was seeing a lot on the UK groups were people who had red meat every day for lunch and dinner, often saying that they couldn't have chicken or fish more than once or twice a week as that would be too much chicken or fish. They felt that not having red meat 7 days a week (often multiple times in a day) was just impossible. The people on the other side of the divide weren't telling them not to ever have red meat or to have beans every night. Many of them were people who DO eat red meat several nights a week. But, they were doing that by eating more zero point foods during the rest of the day and, yes, increasing the number of days that they eat chicken or fish instead of red meat.
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Post by wildcat on Nov 21, 2017 1:48:43 GMT
I am not suggesting those things as a replacement for meat. What I am suggesting is using them as a replacement for some of the OTHER pointed foods they eat. Gotcha. That makes sense.
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Post by zazzles on Nov 21, 2017 2:19:19 GMT
For those looking at the UK FB groups, is it basically just the same kind of uproar we saw on the message boards when SP came out, before anyone had really even tried to make it work? Or is it worse? I joined a couple of the boards and have seen comments that are all over the map. One comment I read today by someone dissatisfied with the change struck me particularly, because the writer mentioned that she is new to WW and had a [whole] six weeks under her belt before the change. For many of the commenters, I really would like to ask: "So what did you eat on SmartPoints that you're prevented from eating on this revision?" Why? Because I suspect if they revealed their menus it would show that they haven't actually adopted changes to what they eat but have simply been embracing the SmartPoints "Eat Anything You Want" tag line—which I've never agreed with. For me, SmartPoints I was something I couldn't embrace. Why? Because it did not provide me with new options while it increased the points cost of foods I enjoy—including milk. I see SmartPoints II as a well thought-out evolution wherein, while I lose points, I gain options. I am optimistic and see SmartPoints II as the program that SmartPoints I should have been in the first place.
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Post by Kitty on Nov 21, 2017 3:02:20 GMT
For many of the commenters, I really would like to ask: "So what did you eat on SmartPoints that you're prevented from eating on this revision?" Why? Because I suspect if they revealed their menus it would show that they haven't actually adopted changes to what they eat but have simply been embracing the SmartPoints "Eat Anything You Want" tag line—which I've never agreed with. I think this is at the root of some of the objections. I was struck on Sunday at looking at weigh in reports of some people. Several people posted losing 4 pounds or 6 pounds or 6.5 or more. And these weren't people in their first week. For someone who has been on the program while to lose that money that usually means that they sharply reduced their carbs. If people are finding that they are eating less carbs with this program (whether good or bad carbs doesn't matter for this) because they are eating less or are eating more foods with protein then that could explain a 4 pound loss or more. Edit - Just to add in. Today I am at 18 SP using the new program. I would be at only 20 SP using current program. I have had 705 calories. I got up late so had a combined breakfast/lunch. I had an omelette - This was frozen with egg whites and other stuff that was non zero. It was 8 SP under current program. I have had a couple of snacks today that are pointed. I had a large salad for dinner that was mostly zero point foods. It had tuna in it and a lot of zero point veggies. Now under current program at 20 SP I would be way under points for the day, not close to a blue dot. I do plan to have a snack tonight but I may not hit 900 calories today. I didn't set out to be so low, it just worked out that way. But, under the new program I would be at 18 SP which is well within blue dot territory. If I have a 3 point snack I will still be at 21 SP. But, I may not hit 900 calories a day. The reason I am so low on the current program and low on calories but OK on the new program is that I've had very few of the "new" 0 point foods today. I have been busy all day and just not very hungry. Now, it is fine for today. But I could see that to get reasonable calories I will need to make sure that I am eating more of the new 0 point foods than I ate today.
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Post by ksbruns on Nov 21, 2017 12:51:20 GMT
A lot of people probably don't see corn, peas or yogurt as a replacement for meat. Tofu and beans yes, but those are sort of polarizing foods- I know in the meeting a few weeks ago where the topic was plant based protein there was a pretty significant contingent that wasn't a fan of either (including my leader, who is a pretty picky eater). And, at least here in the US, I think the majority of people build their meals around some kind of meat or fish, and I imagine it might be the same in the UK. So deciding to eat beans instead of beef would be a big change in mindset. I can see why people wouldn't like these changes, it just always annoys me to see violent hatred of new plans when the person hasn't even tried it. Luckily I don't see that on this board at all. One of my big upsets when SP was released was that I was becoming more plant-based....and beans and corns were penalized with all the carbs. So, this is a big plus to me and makes me hopeful I might make the transition easily. I know I will make it *more easily* because I am not going back to crazy land on this go.
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Post by christina73 on Nov 21, 2017 13:38:39 GMT
I am in love with the idea of no -count beans and corn. I can quickly have rice and beans with a fried egg on top. This was a staple dinner in my home as a child- we were poor and didn't know it.
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Post by newheavensearth2 on Nov 21, 2017 17:31:00 GMT
I have been going to some of the UK WW pages and looking at people's comments. They seem quite polarized. There are some people who feel they have a lot more flexibility and love it. Other people -- not so much. What I saw several times was something like this composite: I see a lot of problems with this. Basically what I am seeing is that a lot of the people who don't like the program are eating red meat multiple times a day. They want to eat chicken/fish only a few times a week. They feel they can't have a dinner without it having red meat. Or, rather, they can't have that very often. So some consistent things I've seen among some of the ones saying things like that: 1. They never mention eating any of the other newly zero point foods. They see that 7 points or more have been taken from them and they don't think of eating more beans, or eating corn or fat free yogurt. They seem fixated on chicken/fish/eggs. Not sure why that is. 2. A lot of the people who aren't having problems do eat red meat. They just don't eat it multiple times a day and most don't eat it every day. When I was a child my parent worked at a meat packing plant and got beef at a discount. So we literally had steak every night. We had some sort of red meat for lunches as well. We had chicken once a week. Occasionally fish. Many of the people reeling about this type of plan eat that way now. While I don't think there is anything wrong with eating red meat, I don't think that most people think it should be eaten every day. But, many are really freaking out because they can't envision any other way of eating. Personally I don't eat beef at all and eat pork once or twice a month. So that part of the plan isn't hard for me. But, I know a lot of people who do eat beef and most of them don't have it every day any more. 3. They are very fixated on the points they have lost and don't want to eat the things that are zero point. I can understand this. I do eat chicken and fish but I don't eat 7 points of them or the other zero point foods each day. I will need to adjust. 4. Some people are indeed filling up on 0 point foods and then using all of their points for junk food. 5. Some people do look for ways to game the system. To count 0 for foods that are pretty clearly still pointed. And I guarantee that they will soon be complaining about how much weight they gained on the new plan. Zero is not free.
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Post by vicki on Nov 21, 2017 20:51:14 GMT
I always get a kick out of how excited people get when their favorite foods become free.
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Post by Kitty on Nov 21, 2017 21:48:06 GMT
So on Day 1 of trying the new plan I ate 1277 calories -- 22 SP (38 SP under current plan). Yesterday, I ate 825 calories, 21 SP (23 SP on the current plan). The difference was that on Day 1 I ate grilled Salmon and Corn on the Cob. Yesterday I had some eggs (omelette) and had a salmon pouch as part of a large salad at dinner. So, not a lot of zero point foods yesterday. I didn't set out to eat only 825 calories. And, honestly, I wasn't hungry. It just worked out that way.
Both days were blue dot days on the new plan and neither were blue dots on the existing plan.
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Post by vicki on Nov 22, 2017 0:06:25 GMT
So on Day 1 of trying the new plan I ate 1277 calories -- 22 SP (38 SP under current plan). Yesterday, I ate 825 calories, 21 SP (23 SP on the current plan). The difference was that on Day 1 I ate grilled Salmon and Corn on the Cob. Yesterday I had some eggs (omelette) and had a salmon pouch as part of a large salad at dinner. So, not a lot of zero point foods yesterday. I didn't set out to eat only 825 calories. And, honestly, I wasn't hungry. It just worked out that way. Both days were blue dot days on the new plan and neither were blue dots on the existing plan. Does the 825 include zero fruit aND veggies. I have between 300 and 400 calories on fruit and vegetables alone.
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Post by Kitty on Nov 22, 2017 1:20:29 GMT
vicki, It includes all 0 point foods including fruits and vegetables. Yesterday, I didn't have fruit (I don't love fruit) but I had a large salad for dinner which had a lot of veggies but it was low calorie veggies - greens, tomatoes, carrots, bell peppers. Now on some days I might have corn or berries which would add calories but not points.
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Post by jeanie on Nov 22, 2017 1:38:57 GMT
As much as I prefer the structure of counting points, I made a big decision last night. I decided to try Simply Filling. After looking over the SF list, I realized a lot of the things I eat are on there in regards to breads, brown rice, etc. With all the zero point foods added, that were pretty much on their anyway, I figured I would give it a go. I just have to keep measuring portions and keeping an eye on the calorie intake for a while, I think. Will see how it goes. My reset day is Friday. So, I popped into negative weeklies, when I switched it over last night. I will have a better idea of how it works for me next Friday.
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