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Post by jeanie on Nov 27, 2017 20:32:51 GMT
People amaze me. I remember when fruit went to 0P.Members were asking if they could eat a whole watermelon? 10 bananas? 0P foods were never called "free"... they are not magically 0 calories just because ww assigns them 0P. haha! So many people on Connect talked about watermelon, and eating through a whole one in 3 days or less...then would post weekly weigh in and had maintained or lost maybe .2 versus 1 pound plus before watermelon season. I thought, well, hello? If you are putting away 2 or more watermelons away a week all by yourself, what do you think is going to happen?
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Post by Jennifer on Nov 27, 2017 20:45:12 GMT
Phrases like...
Avoid extremes or use your common sense.
Apply.
Maybe I'm just getting to old or maybe I've been a member to long but I don't have much patience for that nonsense anymore.
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Post by zazzles on Nov 27, 2017 21:17:01 GMT
bbbearsmom, wildcat, JenniferIt's interesting. It points out once again that there should be some kind of formal guidelines. WW actually gives members all of the information in a loose format over a length of time (like serving sizes for animal protein be 3 or 4 oz.), but what could formalizing it into goals, targets or guidelines hurt? After all the program revisions I've been through, I know how to control portions. But first timers certainly could use specific advice that was proactive instead of reactive.
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Post by flexgirl on Nov 27, 2017 21:25:51 GMT
I did see a video this morn from the Uk from a gold member who has been at goal for 7 years and using the no count plan to maintain. She has been using the new plan for two weeks and has had her second weight-in. She has lost 4 and a half pounds. She was happy and amazed at how well it worked.
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Post by finreporter on Nov 27, 2017 21:34:15 GMT
i'm probably sounding like a broken record at this point, but i agree about being baffled that people can't seem to understand that zero points doesn't mean eat til you are stuffed and have to be rolled out of the house. not that i'm a stranger to over-eating, but it is not a hard concept to grasp that a diet plan doesn't involve eating until you pass out. common sense should prevail.
i'm amused at the post from the WW FB page judy posted that says some people who previously ate 1 breast and 1 egg a day now are eating 3 breasts and 4 eggs (or something like that).
i do recall the jenny mccarthy WW commercials when core or SF was first out, and she does say "i can eat a whole watermelon if i want!" that was pretty silly on WW part to do that, because it's looking like people still feel that way.
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Post by louisstone on Nov 27, 2017 22:28:52 GMT
Maybe once or twice, but: 1) It loses the allure after a while 2) Overdo it by too much and your body will communicate its displeasure.
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Post by Kitty on Nov 27, 2017 22:37:09 GMT
What finreporter, says. I mean -- is common sense so uncommon? I also agree with zazzles, in that I think that a bit more in the way of upfront guidelines would be helpful. Although I guess it conflicts with "Freestyle". And maybe that wouldn't make a difference. That is the person who thinks you can gorge on 0 point foods and doesn't get it fairly quickly that you can't may have been someone to make some other excuse to overeat.
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Post by Jennifer on Nov 27, 2017 23:41:37 GMT
The end of the 0P conversation always seems to include... let the scale be your guide.
To members who don't get the common sense thing, if the goal is to lose and they are not losing.. time for a reality check.
Anything can be overdone.
Totally agree Louisstone
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Post by irisinnia on Nov 28, 2017 0:01:47 GMT
... I won't overeat fruit and vegetables. And it's doubtful that I'm going to sit down and eat a tub of 98% fat-free deli turkey. So this whole watermelon, 10 bananas, 6-egg omelet idea, is a little ridiculous. (Though I will definitely be eating 3 eggs instead of two. Eggs are yummy!)
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Post by irisinnia on Nov 28, 2017 0:06:19 GMT
bbbearsmom , wildcat , Jennifer It's interesting. It points out once again that there should be some kind of formal guidelines. WW actually gives members all of the information in a loose format over a length of time (like serving sizes for animal protein be 3 or 4 oz.), but what could formalizing it into goals, targets or guidelines hurt? After all the program revisions I've been through, I know how to control portions. But first timers certainly could use specific advice that was proactive instead of reactive. That was one of my biggest problems in the switch from PointsPlus to SmartPoints. At least on PointsPlus we had good health guidelines, and they had information on the website about portions of meat and dairy and alcohol, etc.
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Post by wildcat on Nov 28, 2017 1:26:35 GMT
The end of the 0P conversation always seems to include... let the scale be your guide. This. Because despite all that I (and most people here) say about not overeating fruit, someone at my meeting a couple of weeks ago had lost like 50 pounds or something, and when the leader asked for her best tip she said that she has replaced all of her junk food with fruit and eats tons of grapes. She basically sits down with a big bowl of grapes in front of the TV at night and eats all of them. Now for me I say that is still a bad habit and mindlessly overeating - but it clearly works great for her! So it definitely all comes back to letting weight loss be your guide. While I don't see myself binging on eggs and poultry (although I could), I usually eat 1 egg and a couple of whites and I almost certainly will replace those whites with whole eggs. And I will probably eat a lot bigger portions of chicken. Maybe that will work out fine and that extra fat and protein will keep me more satisfied - we shall see. I am actually more worried about overeating beans than anything because I love them and I restrict them now because they are too high in points. And I know what you're thinking about not being able to overeat beans without side effects - but I have a digestive system of steel and they really don't affect me that way!
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Post by irisinnia on Nov 28, 2017 1:34:19 GMT
I am officially following wildcat digestive system of steel 😂
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Post by bbbearsmom on Nov 28, 2017 1:39:12 GMT
I sent this post to my leader by email. When I saw her at the meeting tonight she said: you do know I can't answer you on that. I said I understood. I read the leader guidelines from the UK and they tell the leaders not to say anything about portions sizes, or the like. The leader mentioned that to me tonight that they are not to comment on it or "how" to do the program. I think the idea is that people will figure it out. She said if leaders made comments they would all be different and each meeting would get a different interpretation. It is hard for me not to speak up in the meetings about this. But I remember a number of years ago the shift from the leader telling you how to do the program to the leader getting the member to figure it out on their own.
I've been maintaining for ten years. I know how much I can eat and even I am thinking about eating more of the new zero point items like adding a second egg to my breakfast. But, I also know I do portion creep and it isn't usually that big of a creep and it shows up on the scale. Will be interesting how this all goes.
I also miss the guidelines they use to have.
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Post by louisstone on Nov 28, 2017 2:05:24 GMT
Why?
Let's say that I've been having one egg with whatever amount of egg whites to supplement since Momentum. Why does that suddenly become something that needs to revisited?
If I know there's a 40 calorie spread between an egg and the whites, why would I look to add calories unnecessarily when my "old" formula still works?
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Post by wildcat on Nov 28, 2017 2:13:39 GMT
why would I look to add calories unnecessarily when my "old" formula still works? Because the old formula doesn't work for me. I've lost nothing on SP since the first week that I returned to WW. So I'm going to try the new plan with all of its "nudges," which as far as I can tell is pushing us toward eating more calories in eggs, beans, poultry and fish and less of other things. But again, since I haven't seen the official plan and haven't tried it yet I am only guessing. And also because I like whole eggs a lot better than whites!
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