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Post by Kitty on Nov 30, 2017 7:52:02 GMT
zazzles, What got it to work for me was going to settings and actually changing my weekly points. I have it set to maintain. So I went and played around. I actually was able to change my 28 weekly points to 29. But, I couldn't change it back to 29. Go figure. I had looked there before without changing anything. But, when I went back I got the 0 point foods. What I was really interested in was looking up some restaurant foods and seeing how they had changed. The salmon I had at Chili's last week used to be 15 points and is now 7. That kind of things. Corn on the cob was cut in half (obviously still counting for the butter which is fine). I have the feeling that they may still be working on those lists. For several foods I found them in there twice. I found black beans at a restaurant listed once as 3 points (what NI would call for) and counted as 0 in another listing. There also seemed to be restaurants that maybe haven't been done yet. I checked Chili's and Subway and found how 0 point foods did reduce counts. Yesterday, I had lunch at Season's 52 and the flatbread I had there is on there and is 2 points less than pure nutritional information would give you. That seems reasonable. But, I check Panera and everything I regularly eat there still goes by the regular nutritional information. The chicken flatbread there is full points. So, not sure why that is. Maybe it just isn't completed yet or maybe something about the info they got from Panera. On grocery store stuff, I looked at some frozen veggies that have corn/beans in them and they seemed to count them if they weren't just totally plain. On the other hand I looked at a frozen dinner that I like (pasta with chicken including a sauce) and it is now 6 points instead of 9. Actually that was better than I thought it would be. But, then other brands seem to just go by Nutritional Information. Maybe it has something to do with the info they got from the manufacturer. As for the being a lot of points under - I have found that one days that I eat at home it is really easy to stay within my 23 points and to end up rolling over 3 or 4 points. I've had 23 points be as few as 825 calories. But, I also had 22 points be 1213 calories. So, yes, the variance in calories for the same amount of points is fairly large. That said - my average calories per day for the week last week doing this were overall lower than it usually was on the current program. It basically all seem to average out over the course of the week. I had the 825 day for 23 point which balanced out the days that I ate more calories for the same points. I thought when I started this about 10 days ago that it would be hard to stay within the 23 points (or I would blow through my weekly points). I did use my weekly points last week (I ate out twice) but my overall calorie consumption was really good. It hasn't turned out to be a hard program to follow at all.
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Post by jeanie on Nov 30, 2017 9:01:23 GMT
jeanie I don't know if it's b/c I'm online only but my calendar will only advance to 12/5. It's the computer system date you have to reset temporarily. Not the app date. I had to go to bottom right of computer , ,right click the date/time and go in and manually set me computer to think it was Dec 10. They I was able to go to WW website and see everything, including changing my weigh in date. Which, WW caught on to people changing their WI date today, so they could get the plan info on the 3rd - Sunday, and have temporarily disabled the function to change your weigh in day. But, you can still change the date on your computer - that thinks it is Dec 10, so WW web site thinks it is Dec 10 as well. Once changes to WI day have been made you just go back to your computer date/time settings and default back to current day. REfresh the WW site, and you will be able to see that it saved the WI date. LOL. I guess the IT department didn't think of that. Considering we did all this for the SP roll out from PP, you think they would have set up the program not to autorun based on a computer settings date. That they would have to manually release the info on the proper date
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Post by jeanie on Nov 30, 2017 9:06:15 GMT
zazzles, wow! The new zero point foods made a big difference points wise. I can see where people who don't double track calories and such and just rely on the points, and zero points may be on the struggle bus with losing - if they eat all their allotted daily points.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 10:54:59 GMT
jeanie, love you girl!!! fun time now! Did you know that in italy it is Dec 4th?
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Post by jeanie on Nov 30, 2017 11:01:53 GMT
reneinitaly, it is fun times lol! I love a good mission lol. No, I did not know it rolled out on Dec 4th in Italy.
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Post by wildcat on Nov 30, 2017 14:06:22 GMT
zazzles, your menu and stats were interesting. I could see this being an adjustment for diabetics or really anyone who eats a fairly low carb diet. I guess they could be making up those points with fat, but if you need to eat low carb and low saturated fat it seems like a person would commonly come in well under points. Kitty,I definitely think you're right about restaurants being a work in progress. In fact I even saw inconsistencies within the same restaurant. At Chick Fil A, grilled chicken nuggets had been reduced to 0 but the grilled chicken sandwich was still the same # of points that it is now. And I think that some of the restaurants probably will still be based on regular NI indefinitely, because really I'd think WW has no way to know how else to count it if the restaurant doesn't give them NI on the individual components of the dish. Between lunch and dinner I usually eat out 4-6 times a week so it will be interesting to see how this works. Eating out was a challenge for me when I did SFT in losing mode, but I think this could be easier.
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Post by borntexan on Nov 30, 2017 15:03:15 GMT
I tried changing my computer's date and it still won't work.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 15:12:26 GMT
it worked for me this way...points being shown with computer set after your wi date ( all after dec 3) still show up with points, but when you track them it sees them as zeroes.
Honestly, not much on the site at the moment for me to read. when it told me I had 4 rollovers and I clicked to learn more it told me I did not have access to that page.
Luckily my WI is sunday... so I can say
-3 to countdown
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Post by zazzles on Nov 30, 2017 15:22:55 GMT
Kitty, It is very encouraging to hear that any restaurant items at all have had their points reassessed and lowered. Nobody from WW has ever talked about their methodologies for obtaining and maintaining NI in the database, but like others I've assumed they invite them to submit information for inclusion; and it is totally reasonable to think that some chains are more cooperative than others. Of course, in the long run, being in WW's database benefits them more than not—and that especially will be true now if WW is able to exclude zero-point ingredients from the calculation of points. wildcat, when I looked at that menu last night I thought about the Diabetes angle. And, although I've eaten like that a day or three a week, that menu was particularly low carb even for me. Since I double track, I usually pad menus if needed to reach about 1,6]00 calories a day. jeanie, as I watch comments on one of the UK Facebook pages, I wonder how many who complain of no losses or gains are suffering from portion distortion based on the menus they construct. That plus some of the recipes I see them posting or talking about: banana pancakes, 0 or very low points; six blueberry muffins for 3 points, etc. Cleary some people translate zero-points into Abodanza! ("abundance" in Italian, but "they are sorry in Swahili"—how appropriate).
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Post by louisstone on Nov 30, 2017 15:27:14 GMT
zazzles - Mike - looking at your menu, I see the same theme of over-reliance on zeros that we saw with the change to P+. That can work as long as you're cognizant of the fact that you're using many more calories on zeros (nearly 3 times) than were envisioned in the plan. And, you're a seasoned vet, so I'm sure this isn't a surprise. My advice would be the same as under P+. Eat a potato. And, a Noob will fall into that trap and need guidance. The challenge WW will have is that the majority of staff don't look under the hood. They'll trot out things like "Rest & Assess" forgetting how normal people can shovel in a lot before we feel the 'pause'. That said, with a couple of tweaks, you could flip the switch on Core without much trouble - i.e. drop the butter and swap in oil. Have you tried it before?
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Post by zazzles on Nov 30, 2017 15:41:03 GMT
zazzles - Mike - looking at your menu, I see the same theme of over-reliance on zeros that we saw with the change to P+. That can work as long as you're cognizant of the fact that you're using many more calories on zeros (nearly 3 times) than were envisioned in the plan. And, you're a seasoned vet, so I'm sure this isn't a surprise. My advice would be the same as under P+. Eat a potato. And, a Noob will fall into that trap and need guidance. The challenge WW will have is that the majority of staff don't look under the hood. They'll trot out things like "Rest & Assess" forgetting how normal people can shovel in a lot before we feel the 'pause'. That said, with a couple of tweaks, you could flip the switch on Core without much trouble - i.e. drop the butter and swap in oil. Have you tried it before? After I posted that, I thought that you might now know of my circumstances as an insulin-dependent diabetic with a need to keep carbs under control. Although I would beef that menu up to hit at least 1,600 calories, I wouldn't add a whole lot more carbs to it. Eating low carb permits me to use less insulin, and the less insulin I use the greater the possiblity that I can achieve some kind of weight loss. But I completely understand that the program is designed for mainstream people whose health issues don't come into play dictating their food choices. I think we are all on the same page, as veterans, about how noobs need to learn to navigate food choices since the advent of zero-point foods. Back in the day, when I was a leader, we would invite struggling members to bring their paper trackers in and we would take them home, evaluate them, make suggestions, and return them the next week—sounds like homework, right? But it helped a lot of members get on the straight and narrow. I'm sure some leaders do that today, but I haven't encountered any since I returned in 1999. My leader, in particular, mostly spews platitudes.
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Post by dragonfly on Nov 30, 2017 15:43:54 GMT
Considering we did all this for the SP roll out from PP, you think they would have set up the program not to autorun based on a computer settings date. I switched my date last night too to see the plan. My husband and I both said...why didn't they set the site to ping the server a user is logging in from...that date would be more consistent. lol But good for us they didn't think of that! My daily points dropped by 7 which I've decided isn't really that bad considering I typically eat close to that in lean protein already so while my mindset my need to switch a bit I don't see this change as being a big struggle for me.
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Post by louisstone on Nov 30, 2017 16:07:16 GMT
I majored in Condescension with a minor in Platitudes at Leader University.
What's your net carb target? I know sweet potatoes score a little lower than white, so that could be something to rotate in on occasion.
I like potatoes, in general, because they have a way of making a lump in the belly that just sits there a while. Most other veggies don't have that effect on me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 16:27:55 GMT
speaking of the UK, i wonder how many calories those scotch eggs are, LOL..... I can't imagine trying to wash down hard boiled egg and ground turkey in the same recipe....
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Post by jeanie on Nov 30, 2017 17:53:53 GMT
reneinitaly , wildcat , OMG where is the laughing emoji for the banana pancakes and scotch eggs? I don't think they are funny things to eat, I just think it is funny how almost every other post has scotch eggs or banana pancakes mentioned It's the equivalent of the US and Connect talking about Premier Protein shakes and Kodiak cakes louisstone , thanks. Now I can't stop thinking about eating a baked potato lol... like it really sounds good Touching on restaurants, I plugged in the usual Turkey sandwich and also the Black forest ham 6 inch from Subway. Turkey went from 8 SP to 6 Sp. Black forest ham went from 8 SP to 7 SP? Weird on the ham thing, but ok, whatever.
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