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Post by doordie50 on Oct 3, 2018 16:49:28 GMT
This whole thing is a sh!t show! Our politics have become so partisan, we can no longer agree that water is wet.
Our laws provide the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Still, I can understand a healthy fear of false accusations. The JA has muddied the water using this moment to somehow exonerate himself from multiple accusations of his own behavior.
This should be a teaching moment. Boys and girls should be taught what is okay and what is not okay without consent. They should be taught when to ask for permission. The court of public opinion is another thing altogether. When it's no longer a he said/she said thing because others have come forward with corroborating accounts, people tend to use their common sense.
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Post by birdgal on Oct 3, 2018 17:10:32 GMT
I'd be glad if Flake put his vote where his mouth is! Words are meaningless without actions.
Sorry, it is now and will probably always be more scary for girls.
I don't have a crystal ball or anything but I told my spouse when all this poo-poo hit the fan that this would soon get all turned around and out of focus...again. That the 'real' victim would be the poor little boys and misunderstood men. It's always been a mans world and it will always be that way unless women stay strong and demand to be heard and treated just like the boys.
This is about a strong man overpowering a weaker woman so much she thought he was going to kill her. I believe her! I've seen enough women in ER's with black eyes, broken bones, and black and blue marks all over their bodies that were put there by a man. These women also believed he was going to kill them.
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Post by birdgal on Oct 3, 2018 17:17:14 GMT
This should be a teaching moment. Boys and girls should be taught what is okay and what is not okay without consent. They should be taught when to ask for permission. Very well said!
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Post by birdgal on Oct 3, 2018 17:39:29 GMT
This is something a guy from another chat room posted. What do you think about it? I replied to him and told him he'd be a good Supreme. lol.
Plain and simple: the guy is to friggin stupid to be a Supreme.
This all could have been so simple, "Dr. Ford, Let me begin by expressing how sorry I am that you experienced such a life changing experience. As can be perceived by my yearbooks and other high school memorabilia I was obviously a hard core partier in high school and college. At that young age I made many many poor decisions of which many of them led to obscene use of alcohol. There were several times that I drank myself into oblivion." " Dr. Ford I would love to be able to categorically deny your allegations. However due to my irresponsible unlawful use of alcohol, it may be reasonable to conclude that my memory may hazy, faulty ,or non existent. I have no recollection or knowledge of ever being part of or involved in such heinous acts. If I was involved I most humbly beg your forgiveness and will carry shame to my grave."
"Naturally in the intervening years I have matured and put my childish ways behind me. I just want to say that the described actions are not ok and I encourage any woman so abused to step up and let her story be known so that no longer will these actions be accepted as normal."
Could have been so easy and we would have a a ninth justice today!
Thank God for righteous stupidity!
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Post by nashville11 on Oct 3, 2018 17:46:23 GMT
We need to work on teaching our girls to be strong and to stand up for themselves and their rights. We have drilled it into girls for so long that they are weak, that they need to try and not be smarter or outshine the boys, that they should always be the "responsible" party because "boys will be boys," that somehow girls don't deserve to be treated as equals of boys. We've taught that to our girls and also to our boys, but times are changing. I hope my DGD, now 7 years old, will grow up to believe that she is every bit as smart and strong and deserving of respect as any boy. LOL! She definitely sees herself that way now, and I don't want that to change. By the same token, I want her brother, now 10 years old, to grow up believing that girls are his equal. That EVERYONE should always be treated with respect. I want them to both grow up believing that it's important to be truthful in all things, and that if you want something you need to work hard to achieve it and don't expect it to be handed to you automatically.
I'm 69 years old (not sure how that happened so quickly) but when I started to college we still had a Dean of Women, as if female students were somehow different than male students. And we were treated differently. Girls were pretty much always expected to be teachers, nurses, or just get married and raise a family. There's nothing wrong with any of those things, but I'm glad that those starting to college now know they have more options available. We were not even allowed to wear shorts into the library to study except on Saturday afternoons. Not sure why Saturday afternoons were considered so special. If any unwanted sexual advances were made on a girl, it was automatically assumed that it was her fault and somehow she had asked for it. The times they are a changing, and I hope for the better.
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Post by nashville11 on Oct 3, 2018 17:55:04 GMT
I absolutely agree with that poster, Pat. IF Kavanaugh had just come out and said something like that, I think most people would have said we shouldn't hold someone accountable for the rest of their life for something they did when they were a teenager if they have shown that they recognize that what they did was wrong, they genuinely regret it, and they have conducted themselves in a responsible way throughout their adulthood. But Kavanaugh didn't do that. I think it is possible that he may genuinely not recall the incident, but even if that's the case he DOES know it is possible based on his past behavior. Instead of standing up and "being a man" he chose to lie repeatedly under oath, attack anyone who dared to question him, and show the entire country a very mean, vicious side of his personality. He feels he's entitled, and that Dr. Ford is somehow beneath him. He clearly grew up believing, like the JA, that he is somehow special and entitled to do anything he pleases no matter the consequences for anyone else.
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Post by birdgal on Oct 3, 2018 18:09:14 GMT
Girls were pretty much always expected to be teachers, nurses, or just get married and raise a family. Joyce, you forgot flight attendants. Back then they were called an airline stewardess. lol. The times they are a changing, and I hope for the better. The times certainly have changed from back then. Women are pilots and men are flight attendants. lol.
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Post by nashville11 on Oct 3, 2018 18:16:05 GMT
Right Pat! I did forget the stewardesses. Actually, I had a friend who became a stewardess for some airline I can't even remember the name of now as they've been out of business for a long time, but were a pretty big deal at the time. She had to meet strict requirements in the way she dressed, her weight had to fall within a certain range at all times, etc. Her hair, nails, etc. had to always be perfect. In other words she was expected to be a Barbie doll so all those businessmen travelers would want to fly that airline. Being smart was not a necessary requirement.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 18:16:26 GMT
For me it all starts when kids, boys or girls, are born. Teaching them that telling the truth is always a MUST!....Lies have a way of catching up with a person. As a parent the one thing I could not stand above any other behavior was lying. I raised 3 boys. Two were wild & crazy in their teens. Drinking & parties were involved on many occasions. I was the Mom who sat at the top of the step well beyond their curfew until the wee hours of the morning when they tried sneaking in. They lied many times & I did not give them a pass. On a couple of occasions, when they have been drinking during sports season, I personally drove them to their coaches house & sat in the car while they had to tell their coaches they had broken the rules by drinking. I could have covered for them, they could have continued on with the sports season, but I HATE lying. So, they were suspended. I even sat with one in JV court on a couple of occasions hoping the judge would lay into my kid for his actions. He did & I was Ok. with it. My kids were mad at me more often then not during their teen years, but, hey, it paid off. They are now 49, 47, & a 41... I guess I never worried about false accusations then, & honestly I guess I don't now. Two of the boys are married, have great jobs & raising their kids in a world that is so different than when I raised them. The one thing I know, they are doing a great job. I do know, I would not wanting to be raising a family now. I think its way more challenging. I wonder how many times Kavanaugh's parents covered for him, lied for him, etc. You cannot tell me they did not know he was drinking. I totally reject that. How many times did they not call him out on his lying. I don't know & I don't know if any of what I typed makes sense. I just feel if lying is a way of life & one does not ever get called on it, then small lies turn into big lies & basically its just a way of life for some. I know kids lie, but its all about calling them on it at every opportunity & hoping that when they become adults it has all paid off. It did in my case.
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Post by nashville11 on Oct 3, 2018 18:26:34 GMT
Absolutely Linda! What you did was good parenting. I also wondered when all this started coming out where the heck were the parents back then. Did they just ignore all this? I suspect you are right that they covered for Kavanaugh many times.
Speaking of the "old" days and how girls were raised, did anyone see where they are opening up another Playboy Club in New York complete with the bunnies? Seems completely out of touch with the times to me, but maybe they're planning to cater to crusty old Republican men.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 21:33:18 GMT
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Post by doordie50 on Oct 3, 2018 23:26:07 GMT
Amy Klobuchar in 2020!
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Post by nashville11 on Oct 4, 2018 13:47:23 GMT
Are most of you like me and feel we need to get prepared to see Kavanaugh sworn in for the SC? I'd like to be wrong. If early reports are correct, it sounds like the additional investigation was just a sham as it was so limited in scope. It was very discouraging this morning to hear that the Kavanaugh issue seems to be galvanizing the Rs for the mid-terms and at the same time discouraging and turning off the Ds. If Democrats and independents just give up and don't turn out to vote in the mid-terms, we are doomed. Guess I'm feeling a little pessimistic this morning.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 14:15:32 GMT
I'm joining you Joyce at the "pessimistic party" ....feeling totally dejected & just mentally drained. I do believe he will be confirmed. Flake, Collins & Merkowski will fold & vote party line. What a sham!...I also think it is not a given the Dems will take the House or the Senate. God help us all if that happens!...Heidkampt is more than 10 points down in ND. Since Heidi is a Dem & the whole state is mostly Rep I think her days of a Senator is doomed. ND will turn her seat to Rep. I also think she will vote for Kavanaugh. If so, she has lost my vote even tho she is a Dem. I just can't do it. My vote hardly counts in ND anyway.
E. Warren says she is thinking of running for President. Already, her American Indian heritage is being questioned by the very ones she is identifying with. So, already, the controversy has started & if she runs that will over shadow her campaign. I do hope she stays in the Senate where I feel she can do more good. I just hate to think what its going to be like after the midterms till the 2020 election. If we think we are mentally tired now, just wait....:-(
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 14:28:31 GMT
Kavanaugh must want with the SC seat so bad that he would put his family last. Does he really believe that once he swears, "I do" on the Bible, that this whole controversy is going to die down. He is a fool if that is what he believes. He will be hounded, protested & scrutinized at every turn of every decision he makes. He will be talked about for days, months, years. This affects his wife, his kids & other family & friends. There will be no peace of mind for any of them. So, if this appointment is so important that he could care less what comes after, then he really is in IMHO just ............I can't even think of an appropriate word to describe how utterly despicable I think he is.
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