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Post by lani on Feb 2, 2019 16:08:19 GMT
Because then they'd LOSE! (But you already knew that.)
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Post by luanne on Feb 2, 2019 16:29:20 GMT
There is talk of doing this in New Mexico as well. I haven't been paying enough attention to see how forward it's moved.
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Post by birdgal on Feb 2, 2019 16:38:14 GMT
What is Mitch so afraid of? I'm thinking perhaps the truth, progress, and reality. I despise this slime. Have I ever mentioned that? lol.
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Post by birdgal on Feb 2, 2019 17:14:36 GMT
Should something someone did 35 years ago still define them? I don't think it should. I think Jane Fonda would agree. I still can't believe half the things I believed or did when I was a youngster. I wouldn't have liked me! I like Jane Fonda and I'm happy Grace and Frankie is back streaming on Netflix. I'm a Lily Tomlin fan too. They are so good together. It's nice to see women my age playing women my age. Jane is 81 and Lily is 79. Well, they're both a little bit older than me. Just a little. lol.
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Post by nashville11 on Feb 2, 2019 17:56:21 GMT
Pat, I did some pretty dumb things and had some pretty dumb ideas when I was younger too. I wouldn't want those things to define me now. It seems to me that at some point we have to let the past be the past and begin defining people by what we see in them now. Governor Northam wasn't a kid, he was 24 so absolutely he should have known better, but I wouldn't want everything I did in my 20s as my epitaph. The picture is horrific. There's no excusing it. But perhaps we should take a look at how he has comported himself since that time. If he continued to behave as a sleazebag racist, then out he should go. If he matured, tried to comport himself as a decent human being recognizing we are all equal then perhaps we should cut him some slack just as we did with President Bush's drinking and wasn't there something about Mitt Romney back in his 20s as well? None of us has made it through life without doing at least something that we'd change now if we could.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 18:43:55 GMT
So then what about Kavanaugh? Should he get a pass for his past behavior? My problem wasn't just his past, but his whole demeanor & the way he acted that one day at the hearings. I still think he deliberately lied about the whole thing, and so, for me he doesn't get a pass. If someone acknowledges their past, and as you said conducts himself in a meaningful way the rest of their lives, then yes, I agree, one shouldn't be judged solely on what they did in their youth, depending on the age of course. There is just something about Kavanaugh I don't believe, trust or accept about him. JMHO
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Post by doordie50 on Feb 2, 2019 19:25:11 GMT
I agree that a person shouldn't be "defined" by what they may have said or done 35 years ago. Still, we do hold public officials to a higher standard. There is a big difference between wrongdoing and criminal wrongdoing. America can be pretty forgiving and absolutely loves a comeback story but, it generally applies to the former and after a significant amount of contrition and/or rehabilitation.
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Post by nashville11 on Feb 2, 2019 19:32:55 GMT
So then what about Kavanaugh? Should he get a pass for his past behavior? My problem wasn't just his past, but his whole demeanor & the way he acted that one day at the hearings. I still think he deliberately lied about the whole thing, and so, for me he doesn't get a pass. If someone acknowledges their past, and as you said conducts himself in a meaningful way the rest of their lives, then yes, I agree, one shouldn't be judged solely on what they did in their youth, depending on the age of course. There is just something about Kavanaugh I don't believe, trust or accept about him. JMHO Yes, I agree with your assessment about Kavanaugh, Linda. If he had acknowledged what he did and appeared to be genuinely regretful for it, I would have had a different opinion about him. But instead he was conceited and arrogant behaving as though he felt he was "entitled" to be on the Supreme Court, and seemed to have absolutely no compassion for his victim (or possibly victims). I thought he behaved a like a guilty person who was not in the least sorry for his actions, but only sorry that he got called out and was being asked to answer for them. We saw at least one person who was hurt by his actions. I don't know any details about this picture other than it was a picture, so as far as I know no one was actually hurt by his stupidity and insensitivity. There's a lot we don't know about the Northam incident, so I'm not saying give him a pass. He may genuinely need to go. Sometimes even if the person really has changed, we have to look at where the greater good lies and it might lie with his being ousted. I'm just saying that we need to carefully consider before making quick decisions. Kavanaugh was so heavily in the news, I felt like I knew him personally I read so many details about him. We saw the way he comported himself in the hearings. I don't yet know that much about Northam. Al Franken didn't get a pass either, and I think he was genuinely regretful but ultimately the greater good was served by him going. The world surely would be simpler if there were not always so many shades of gray.
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Post by nashville11 on Feb 2, 2019 19:38:15 GMT
The Northam photo made me think about the photo a few years ago of Prince Harry in a Nazis costume at a Halloween party. Both showed very poor judgment, but the public for the most part didn't think Prince Harry was promoting Nazisim. Maybe the Northam photo is just that stupid and nothing more. At this point, the public really doesn't have much way of knowing I don't think. I hope no one I love ever decides to enter the political arena. I don't think this grandma could handle it. LOL!
One thing that is turning me off about Northam is that he is saying he has no recollection about the photo. Come on, I find that hard to believe. If I had ever dressed up in black face or a KKK costume I am pretty sure I'd remember doing that. So that comes across to me as being false.
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Post by luanne on Feb 2, 2019 21:28:27 GMT
One thing that is turning me off about Northam is that he is saying he has no recollection about the photo. Come on, I find that hard to believe. If I had ever dressed up in black face or a KKK costume I am pretty sure I'd remember doing that. So that comes across to me as being false.
But that was his argument. He said that "if" he'd done it he would remember it. He mentioned dressing up like Michael Jackson and using some shoe polish on his face to participate in a dance contest.
At this point I don't know exactly what to think. I do think he's toast as governor of Virginia, whether it was him in the photo or not.
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Post by nashville11 on Feb 2, 2019 21:53:21 GMT
One thing that is turning me off about Northam is that he is saying he has no recollection about the photo. Come on, I find that hard to believe. If I had ever dressed up in black face or a KKK costume I am pretty sure I'd remember doing that. So that comes across to me as being false.
But that was his argument. He said that "if" he'd done it he would remember it. He mentioned dressing up like Michael Jackson and using some shoe polish on his face to participate in a dance contest.
At this point I don't know exactly what to think. I do think he's toast as governor of Virginia, whether it was him in the photo or not.
Yes, I just got back from the nursing home and read that luanne ,. Originally I thought he was saying it was him in the photo but he didn't remember the event. Now I see where he is saying that if it had happened he would have remembered it (which I tend to believe), and that it is not him in the photo. So is it or isn't it? I suppose the person who took the photo would know, but at this point we may never know the truth of the story. I guess the lesson we should all learn from this is that what you do even when young can come back to bite you many years later, so be very careful. And if it isn't him then it's a shame he's been pinned with it, but why was the photo on his yearbook page if it's not him? Did someone else just think it was a joke at the time and put the picture on his page when it wasn't him? I can see that happening with bunch of "young" people joking around with someone and not realizing the possible consequences. Is it him and he's lying now to cover it up? Glad I'm not in the public eye.
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Post by nashville11 on Feb 2, 2019 22:09:00 GMT
""Earlier today, a website published a photograph of me from my 1984 medical school yearbook in a costume that is clearly racist and offensive," Northam said. "I am deeply sorry for the decision I made to appear as I did in this photo and for the hurt that decision caused then and now. "This behavior is not in keeping with who I am today and the values I have fought for throughout my career in the military, in medicine, and in public service. But I want to be clear, I understand how this decision shakes Virginians' faith in that commitment." He added, "I recognize that it will take time and serious effort to heal the damage this conduct has caused. I am ready to do that important work. The first step is to offer my sincerest apology and to state my absolute commitment to living up to the expectations Virginians set for me when they elected me to be their Governor." -- CNN
"I believe now and then that I am not either of the people in this photo," Northam said, denying that he had ever worn a KKK robe and hood or been drunk enough to forget a moment like this. "This was not me in that picture. That was not Ralph Northam." -- CNN -------------- So which is it? It is him or it isn't him? I don't understand why he admitted it and then is backtracking his admission. This makes me have very serious doubts about his credibility. Why did he originally admit it if it isn't him? Since he had already admitted it, why try to put the genie back in the bottle? This sounds like one of those times when he would have been better off to just quit explaining after the first explanation. Now it just sounds like he's been watching too much Trump with the alternative facts, and the truth is whatever I say at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 22:28:23 GMT
WHY, because he is another Republican politician who thinks he can get away with this. JA has proven that lying is pretty much normal, now, so, if he can lie & tell you what you saw & heard with your own eyes is a lie & expect the rest of the supporters to believe him, then lie it is.
Remember Al Franken & those photo's. He did the honorable thing, stepped down & apologized....Oh, that's right he is a Democrat who maybe understands right from wrong. Not saying what Frankin did was right concerning those photos, but ....well, whatever. I'm just so tired of this double standard with the Republicans becoming the norm right before our very eyes. UGH!
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Post by luanne on Feb 2, 2019 22:31:55 GMT
""Earlier today, a website published a photograph of me from my 1984 medical school yearbook in a costume that is clearly racist and offensive," Northam said. "I am deeply sorry for the decision I made to appear as I did in this photo and for the hurt that decision caused then and now. "This behavior is not in keeping with who I am today and the values I have fought for throughout my career in the military, in medicine, and in public service. But I want to be clear, I understand how this decision shakes Virginians' faith in that commitment." He added, "I recognize that it will take time and serious effort to heal the damage this conduct has caused. I am ready to do that important work. The first step is to offer my sincerest apology and to state my absolute commitment to living up to the expectations Virginians set for me when they elected me to be their Governor." -- CNN
"I believe now and then that I am not either of the people in this photo," Northam said, denying that he had ever worn a KKK robe and hood or been drunk enough to forget a moment like this. "This was not me in that picture. That was not Ralph Northam." -- CNN -------------- So which is it? It is him or it isn't him? I don't understand why he admitted it and then is backtracking his admission. This makes me have very serious doubts about his credibility. Why did he originally admit it if it isn't him? Since he had already admitted it, why try to put the genie back in the bottle? This sounds like one of those times when he would have been better off to just quit explaining after the first explanation. Now it just sounds like he's been watching too much Trump with the alternative facts, and the truth is whatever I say at the moment. Yes, that is troubling. If he admitted it was him at first, then he must have had some reason to think it might have been.
What is interesting is that no one from the opposition when he was running for governor found this. In fact, I don't even know how this photo was found and who brought it forward.
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Post by nashville11 on Feb 2, 2019 23:18:10 GMT
WHY, because he is another Republican politician who thinks he can get away with this. JA has proven that lying is pretty much normal, now, so, if he can lie & tell you what you saw & heard with your own eyes is a lie & expect the rest of the supporters to believe him, then lie it is. Remember Al Franken & those photo's. He did the honorable thing, stepped down & apologized....Oh, that's right he is a Democrat who maybe understands right from wrong. Not saying what Frankin did was right concerning those photos, but ....well, whatever. I'm just so tired of this double standard with the Republicans becoming the norm right before our very eyes. UGH! Yes, but unfortunately Northam is a Democrat too although I did see something on FB today where CNN at one point had him identified incorrectly on the screen as a Republican. Right now I sure wish he was a Republican. LOL!
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