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Post by nashville11 on Jun 28, 2019 2:33:31 GMT
Off the top of my head as I listen to the debate tonight, I would say Bernie is not having a good night. Biden is doing ok, but not great. Kamala and Gillibrand are having a good night for the most part, but not completely. Mayor Pete is doing well, but not setting the world on fire, and Eric Salwell is just getting on my nerves. The rest are not making any impression on me at all.
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Post by lani on Jun 28, 2019 2:58:50 GMT
Unless Biden strokes out on the stage, I think it will count as a success for him. I like Kamala's energy (and humor), but don't agree with her on the whole Medicare for All thing. Why don't they ask some people who have Medicare, like me, how they like it? It is a pain in the patootie, better than nothing, of course. I still like Pete, but I think his troubles back in South Bend with the black community will be impossible to overcome. Whoever gets the nod will need support from the Latino and African American communities.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 3:39:08 GMT
Gillibrand completely got on my nerves as did Eric Sewell, I liked Pete B. honesty about the shooting in South Bend & loved his comment on the hypocrisy of GOP & religion. I just thought Biden lost the debate with Kamala & honestly he just didn’t do it for me. Sanders moment has passed I think. He fights a good fight for what he believes in but I don’t think he can beat JA. The rest were just blah to me. So after two nights, the ones that stand out for me are Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Pete B., J. Castro, ....I like Amy K. & C. Booker, but I just don’t think they can beat JA. I was disappointed in Biden’s performance tonight. JMHO. I just hope the field of candidates starts thinning out quickly. So, anyway, my favorite so far is Kamala Harris. It’s going to be a LONG time til Nov 2020.
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Post by amyrs on Jun 28, 2019 11:28:48 GMT
I think Kamala Harris can do the best against Trump but I think she needs to change from Medicare for all to public option. also giving healthcare to immigrants though I agree will be a loser in election.
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Post by nashville11 on Jun 28, 2019 12:51:35 GMT
Sounds like our thoughts were all very similar last night. I agree Kamala was on fire, and I don't think Trump can bully her. She's pretty tough, but then so was Hillary. Women of color are going to have a big impact, and Kamala is likely to do well with them if she doesn't screw up along the way. I like Mayor Pete, but that incident in SB is going to be an anchor around his neck this time I am afraid. Wouldn't it be interesting if our first woman president was a black woman. That would surely be a slap in the face to Trump, and frankly would help restore my eroded faith in our country. I am not all in for Kamala yet, but I liked what I saw last night.
As for Medicare for all, I think she's got a big problem there with wanting to do away with private insurance completely. Also does anyone know what she plans to do about the coverage gap? Medicare only covers 80%.
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Post by doordie50 on Jun 28, 2019 13:21:42 GMT
As for Medicare for all, I think she's got a big problem there with wanting to do away with private insurance completely. Also does anyone know what she plans to do about the coverage gap? Medicare only covers 80%. I agree, and anyone that takes this position must consider the millions of people who count on private insurance to cover that gap. United Healthcare's Humana comes to mind.
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Post by lani on Jun 28, 2019 14:29:26 GMT
I had turned it off before the Kamala/Biden exchange. I saw this morning he said "my time's up". Self-fulfilling prophecy? Not his finest moment to be sure.
Re Medicare for all, it will never come to be because of the Senate, but philosophically I am opposed to it for the reasons you have all stated.
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Post by doordie50 on Jun 28, 2019 14:56:25 GMT
Trying to catch up - @lka5, have a wonderful time in MT! Where is @yogamamma,? Hope all is well Anne.
It was great to see women taking the top spot on both nights. I hate to say it but, I think Joe Biden had a bad night. It's still very early in the process but, it's hard not to think last night's performance was a foreshadowing of things to come. He looked old and at times confused. And where nearly all the candidates went past their allotted time to make their points, Biden often conceded his time abruptly and mid-sentence. "My time's up...sorry" is already a meme. Ugh.
Here's to the winnowing of the number of the candidates. Future debates would be so much better with say, the top eight lol.
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Post by doordie50 on Jun 28, 2019 14:58:21 GMT
I had turned it off before the Kamala/Biden exchange. I saw this morning he said "my time's up". Self-fulfilling prophecy? Not his finest moment to be sure. Re Medicare for all, it will never come to be because of the Senate, but philosophically I am opposed to it for the reasons you have all stated. Wow lani - great minds!
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Post by lani on Jun 28, 2019 15:21:05 GMT
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Post by luanne on Jun 28, 2019 15:22:58 GMT
Is it me? Or, is this debate turning into the Biden/Sanders show? I like them both but it appears to me that these two guys are taking over. Kamala Harris is my favorite this evening. Maryann Williamson also made a lot of sense and I feel a little guilt wondering why she was there. I'm sorry but I couldn't answer a question about anything in only 30 seconds. Could You? Either have more debates or give them a little more time than a half a friggin minute! This isn't for a part in a school play. It's for the Democratic candidate for cripes sake. 30 second rule has to go. IMHO. Lol. Sorry, I thought Marianne Williamson was a fruitcake. She may have good ideas, for something, but not for being president. |
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Post by luanne on Jun 28, 2019 15:25:14 GMT
Unless Biden strokes out on the stage, I think it will count as a success for him. I like Kamala's energy (and humor), but don't agree with her on the whole Medicare for All thing. Why don't they ask some people who have Medicare, like me, how they like it? It is a pain in the patootie, better than nothing, of course. I still like Pete, but I think his troubles back in South Bend with the black community will be impossible to overcome. Whoever gets the nod will need support from the Latino and African American communities. Curious why you think Medicare is a pain? I'm on Medicare and haven't had any issues. I'm confused as to why people think if Medicare is expanded it will mean you can't choose your doctor. Has anyone laid out exactly what it would look like? I mean, I can pick my doctor (and did), the doctor just needs to except Medicare patients. And if everyone has Medicare, doesn't that mean all doctors would most likely accept it? What am I missing? |
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Post by nashville11 on Jun 28, 2019 15:48:32 GMT
I like my Medicare, and I have no problem with having Medicare for all. In fact I think I would like that. I do want everyone covered for healthcare as I believe it is a basic human right, and I would be willing to pay higher taxes if that were called for although I'm not so sure it would be necessary. I think if we had a single payer health plan for everyone such as Medicare then all doctors would accept it (what else could they do?), but there would have to be an extension of Medicare to 100% rather than just 80% as it is now. Let's face it. 20% of a medical bill could still put many people into bankruptcy, and lots of people would still end up not getting healthcare because they know they can't pay the 20%. So, IMHO, that absolutely would have to be addressed. Also what about drugs? Medicare doesn't cover prescriptions. You must have a private plan now to cover those, and they still get very expensive. So Medicare for all would have to be adjusted to cover prescriptions also, and the cost of prescriptions would have to be brought down as well. Right now as I understand it Medicare is not allowed to negotiate with the pharmaceutical companies. So I need a lot more details before I decide what I am for and against other than I'm for healthcare for all and lower prescription drug prices.
I do think some of the Medicare Advantage plans cover drugs as well as vision and dental, but DH had a Medicare Advantage plan at one point and we chose to switch back to regular Medicare because we found a lot of doctors wouldn't accept the Medicare Advantage plans in our area at the time.
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Post by luanne on Jun 28, 2019 15:54:16 GMT
I like my Medicare, and I have no problem with having Medicare for all. In fact I think I would like that. I do want everyone covered for healthcare as I believe it is a basic human right, and I would be willing to pay higher taxes if that were called for although I'm not so sure it would be necessary. I think if we had a single payer health plan for everyone such as Medicare then all doctors would accept it (what else could they do?), but there would have to be an extension of Medicare to 100% rather than just 80% as it is now. Let's face it. 20% of a medical bill could still put many people into bankruptcy, and lots of people would still end up not getting healthcare because they know they can't pay the 20%. So, IMHO, that absolutely would have to be addressed. Also what about drugs? Medicare doesn't cover prescriptions. You must have a private plan now to cover those, and they still get very expensive. So Medicare for all would have to be adjusted to cover prescriptions also, and the cost of prescriptions would have to be brought down as well. Right now as I understand it Medicare is not allowed to negotiate with the pharmaceutical companies. So I need a lot more details before I decide what I am for and against other than I'm for healthcare for all and lower prescription drug prices. I do think some of the Medicare Advantage plans cover drugs as well as vision and dental, but DH had a Medicare Advantage plan at one point and we chose to switch back to regular Medicare because we found a lot of doctors wouldn't accept the Medicare Advantage plans in our area at the time. I need to get busy and find out more about what the differences are between single payer and Medicare for all. The terms get thrown around almost interchangeably, but I think there are differences.
You are right that Medicare Advantage Plans do include vision, dental and prescription drugs, but they don't seem as portable as Medicare supplements and often tie you to a particular group. Both dh and I went with the Supplemental plans.
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Post by lani on Jun 28, 2019 16:14:14 GMT
I was being (sort of) funny about my Medicare experience. So far I have had to call on every claim as my Medicare statement keeps saying I have other primary insurance and Medicare is secondary - wrong. (I am covered under DH's Cobra for vision and dental, that is my secondary insurance). They tell me it has been corrected (again), always after the date of the claim, call your provider and have them resubmit. But I am admittedly being nit-picky about this.
My real concern is the sheer scope of implementing this countrywide. I do feel that it should not be either or, there should be a private insurance option. I know, everybody hates the insurance and pharmacy industries. If pharma did not make big profits it would impact R &D for new drugs.
There will always be gaming of the system by some no matter which system is in place.
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