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Post by nashville11 on Jul 1, 2019 12:40:07 GMT
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Post by nashville11 on Jul 1, 2019 12:52:23 GMT
Things are getting tougher for all the potential candidates campaigns. Hopefully it won't be too long before some start being winnowed out so that we can focus more and more on those that might have a real chance. At least I think that might be a good thing, although a diversity of opinions is not a bad thing. Biden didn't have the best of weeks, but then every serious candidate is going to have some bad weeks. Kamala is coming on strong against him, and evidently JA Jr decided to go with the attack that she's just not quite black enough. Like a typical bully, however, he's afraid to stand up for his comments so he deletes and tries to pretend it was all a mistake after he's already gotten it out there in "twitter land" forever. Actually, as far as campaigning goes things are pretty tame right now. Just imagine how down and dirty it's going to be by July 2020. It's not going to be pretty, but we can endure anything just to get this JA out of the White House.
As for Trump and North Korea, I am dreaming of the day when we have a President who conducts foreign policy by rational planning rather than seat of your pants photo ops for self-aggrandizement.
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Post by DotRen on Jul 1, 2019 13:00:35 GMT
I'm waiting for the day we have a president that looks admiringly at other world leaders that aren't murderous nut-jobs.
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Post by lani on Jul 1, 2019 14:54:00 GMT
DotRen , Amen! I was listening to David Brooks (who I think is a rational thinking human being) on PBS. He had some stats that the country identifies as approx. 35% conservative, 35% moderate, 26% liberal. His point is the current Democratic platform is tilting to the liberal end and it will be hard to win with 26%. I agree. Of course, I'm hoping there is enough hate for the current prez that folks will get out and vote for anyone else. I saw a young man on some news program saying he would vote for his dog rather than DT.
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Post by nashville11 on Jul 1, 2019 15:35:22 GMT
lani , I agree that it concerns me the party platform seems to be tilting too far left. I'm afraid it's going too far left for a lot of people who might not be willing to vote for Trump, but might just stay home and not vote at all. Look what happened to the Republican party when they let the Tea Party take over and move them to the extreme right. IMO, extremes in either direction never bode well. By the way, I'd vote for that guy's dog too before I'd vote for The Donald. I'm certain the dog would make a better president than what we have now. DotRen , I hear you. He just seems to be obsessed with murderous dictator thugs, and wants so badly to be just like them all the while he treats our allies terribly. Once he's gone, it's not going to be easy redeeming ourselves in the eyes of the world.
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Post by lani on Jul 1, 2019 15:50:02 GMT
nashville11, Right. Brooks, who calls himself a moderate conservative, says he cannot and will not vote for Trump, but also won't vote for anyone extremely progressive.
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Post by doordie50 on Jul 1, 2019 20:57:13 GMT
nashville11, lani, I'm with you guys. It does seem like the candidates are leaving the positions that gave us those historic midterms for the primary's sake. Not sure any of them can pivot well from that far left in the general election.
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Post by nashville11 on Jul 1, 2019 21:58:55 GMT
With the social media everywhere around us these days, it's not easy to pivot when you put yourself too far out there on a limb. There are many, many people just waiting to put your words back out there for all the world to see as well as manipulate them in perhaps ways you never intended, and once the public loses confidence in what you say it's a hard road to get their vote -- well, it seems to be a hard road for everybody except Trump. The more he lies the more his followers seem to like it.
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Post by amyrs on Jul 1, 2019 22:12:32 GMT
Obama ran to the left of Hilary. He moderated in general election and won it can be done if the under 45 folks vote. They wont vote for Bidoen and did not for Hilary Sorry David Brooks you are wrong.
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Post by luanne on Jul 1, 2019 22:56:44 GMT
Obama ran to the left of Hilary. He moderated in general election and won it can be done if the under 45 folks vote. They wont vote for Bidoen and did not for Hilary Sorry David Brooks you are wrong. Not entirely true. I know of several, if not many, young folks who voted for Hillary. They couldn't stomach the thought of Trump.
Even my younger dd, who was a Bernie supporter, said she didn't think Bernie could have won the general election and didn't agree with him on some issues. I don't know who she voted for in the primary, but she definitely voted for Hillary in the general election. She is in her 20's.
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Post by nashville11 on Jul 1, 2019 23:25:05 GMT
Biden definitely polls better with older voters than with younger ones, but I've lost a lot of faith in polls being able to predict much after all the polls we saw saying Hillary was pretty much a sure thing. I don't think Bernie can win this time around. I'm not sure about Biden, but I think he has a better chance of winning than Bernie. I don't have a lot of contact with younger voters anymore. My own "baby" just turned 45 which totally amazes me. On the debate stage the other night, I thought Biden and Bernie both looked pretty old and tired. Biden can probably get the moderates though, and I don't think Bernie can do that. While he is for democratic socialism, a lot of people don't understand and don't take the time to learn what that actually means and it sounds scary to them. I haven't heard him talk about a "revolution" lately. Is he still doing that? I hope not, because I think that scares people off too. As for me I would probably call myself a moderate who definitely lists pretty far to the left. At this point I don't have a favorite. I am just holding my breath that a true leader will come to the forefront and mop the floor with that thing on the JA's head.
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Post by lani on Jul 1, 2019 23:27:48 GMT
amyrs , I pray that you are right. I'm just trying to listen to some other voices than my CNN bubble that I get stuck in. Mark Shields, a card-carrying old school liberal agreed that the current Democratic stance is out of touch with the majority of the country. Since they are white guys and Mark is for sure an old white guy, I know their views are not even up for consideration by some. Personally, I think Hillary should have gotten the nomination the first time and been elected, and then Obama could have followed her to become the next president. Hey, a girl can dream of rewriting history.
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Post by luanne on Jul 1, 2019 23:34:37 GMT
I haven't talked to my 28, almost 29, year old about candidates yet. It's still too early. I do know she loves AOC though.
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Post by amyrs on Jul 2, 2019 1:54:16 GMT
al I know is under 45 Biden is fourth. The city population in Wisconsin Michigan nd Penn did not come out and vote with Hilary that made the diferr4nce. I don't think Bernie can win But Kamela can win.
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Post by nashville11 on Jul 2, 2019 12:49:10 GMT
amyrs , you may be right. It's so hard to predict who can and who can't win, and after what happened in 2016 I just have lost a lot of faith in my own ability to judge (which was never all that good) plus faith in all the "in the know" pundits out there. Never in a million years did I imagine that Trump could win. Never in a million years did I imagine that a large part of the population, heck a large part of my friends and family, could be so mesmerized by him and this huge con he's playing on the whole nation. Its like the whole world has been turned upside down, and nothing is recognizable to me anymore. I guess one of the biggest questions is will younger people get out and vote? Maybe. If they lock onto a candidate as they did with Bernie in 2016, and another candidate gets the nomination will they back that candidate? I have my fingers crossed that everyone--moderates, liberals, disenchanted Republicans, etc.--will recognize the importance of backing whoever runs against Trump.
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