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Post by chattycathy on Aug 31, 2019 3:19:25 GMT
Just five basic rules to follow each day:
1. Limit fat to no more than 35 grams for women or 45 grams for men.
2. Eat at least 20 grams of fiber (25 for men).
3. Eat at least five servings of fruits and vegetables.
4. Eat at least two servings of dairy foods, but remember they also can contribute to the fat count.
5. Go easy on refined sugars and alcohol and don't eat or drink them until after the fiber requirement has been met.
Unlike earlier programs, this plan doesn't require people to be nutritional accountants, Miller-Kovach says. With the exception of putting a lid on fat grams, it essentially tells people to eat almost anything they want.
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Post by ann1953 on Aug 31, 2019 11:07:27 GMT
IMHO it was the worse program Weight Watchers came out with. I was happy to see it go. Never followed it!
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Post by Jennifer on Aug 31, 2019 11:15:51 GMT
I think that was the other plan when I followed the freedom plan in early 97.
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Post by DebDoesWW on Aug 31, 2019 14:50:56 GMT
Staff actually referred to it as the "Fat & Fatter" plan. It was REALLY short lived. Jennifer is right there was another one along with it the Freedom plan. And then 1,2,3 points came along with Flex & Core. Or something like that, any other old timers here that have had more coffee than I have. Did I get the order right? Wasn't it the precursor to Core? (Yes I realize they aren't exact but it was the next incarnation of the F&F plan, just like Flex took over the freedom plan)
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Post by susan092907 on Aug 31, 2019 15:04:10 GMT
It sounded really great when it first came out. I gained weight on it. A leader actually told me to stop doing that plan. Soon after, it was discontinued. DebDoesWW, I had no idea that staff called it that, but I suspected right away from the tone of the leader's voice and her clear instructions to stop using that plan, that staff knew something was wrong with it. Thanks for sharing the behind the scenes scoop on it. All these years later it's nice to confirm that I wasn't the only one who had a problem with it.
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Post by luanne on Aug 31, 2019 15:17:02 GMT
I think that is the one plan I missed. I started on the Exchange program, great for losing, but for me not sustainable over the long run. When I came back in 2001 it was to one of the points programs, can't remember exactly which one.
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Post by Jennifer on Aug 31, 2019 16:09:20 GMT
It sounded really great when it first came out. I gained weight on it. A leader actually told me to stop doing that plan. Soon after, it was discontinued. DebDoesWW, I had no idea that staff called it that, but I suspected right away from the tone of the leader's voice and her clear instructions to stop using that plan, that staff knew something was wrong with it. Thanks for sharing the behind the scenes scoop on it. All these years later it's nice to confirm that I wasn't the only one who had a problem with it. My neighbor lost 100 lbs on it, again proof we're all different. I never tried it, the exchange plan was front and center.
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Post by zazzles on Aug 31, 2019 16:12:20 GMT
Just looking at the requirements/limits for women:
35g of fat = 315 calories 20g of fiber = 80 calories 5 servings of fruit & vegetables, about 250 calories 2 servings of skim milk, about 160 calories
That’s 805 calories a day without adding anything else. 23 SmartPoints a day is estimated to be 1,200 calories if a member doesn’t go crazy with the zero-point foods. So that Fat & Fiber plan left, perhaps, room for 400 calories a day in other foods. No surprise that it flopped.
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Post by chattycathy on Sept 1, 2019 4:24:33 GMT
It was really bad. I didn't follow it or the one that followed it. In fact I didn't know anyone who did.
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Post by cathygeha on Sept 1, 2019 6:11:15 GMT
I tried it and lost while on it but did not stay on it for very long. I think that ALL of the programs work if you follow them as stated and they don't work if you adjust them a lot. I know that it was more fiddly trying to figure out the fat and fiber grams in foods and it also made a person feel they were free (even though it said you were not free) to eat and drink once the minimum was met. I did eat a LOT of high fiber cereal because it was hard to get the fiber in otherwise. I did not stay on it long enough to find out if it would have worked for me long term or not.
I do honestly believe that there is a diet or way to eat that will keep a person healthy and happy for life but that it is not the same for everyone.
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Post by pamthomas46 on Sept 1, 2019 20:52:31 GMT
I remember Fat and Fiber. I was thinking it came after Core, but maybe it was just before. I remember lots of discussions about adding fiber. Some were way over the top. I think it worked for me, but mostly prepared me for Core, which I loved. The ghgs were introduced to help keep track of servings. I know they helped me and still do.
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Post by Kitty on Sept 2, 2019 4:39:13 GMT
I think that is the one plan I missed. I started on the Exchange program, great for losing, but for me not sustainable over the long run. When I came back in 2001 it was to one of the points programs, can't remember exactly which one. Ditto, exactly. FWIW, I think I would have been one not to do well on Fat and Fiber program. I can see why it didn't work out so well.
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Post by goddess1998 on Sept 2, 2019 10:06:38 GMT
I remember Fat and Fiber. I was thinking it came after Core, but maybe it was just before. I remember lots of discussions about adding fiber. Some were way over the top. I think it worked for me, but mostly prepared me for Core, which I loved. The ghgs were introduced to help keep track of servings. I know they helped me and still do. I joined in 2007. I loved Core. The ghgs were used in both programs at that time, and paying attention to meeting those helped me. Mostly commenting here to say the best thing about Core, for me, was meeting so many wonderful folks on the Core Board. You may be an invisible friend, Pam, but I absolutely consider you a friend!
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Post by luanne on Sept 2, 2019 15:23:43 GMT
I remember Fat and Fiber. I was thinking it came after Core, but maybe it was just before. I remember lots of discussions about adding fiber. Some were way over the top. I think it worked for me, but mostly prepared me for Core, which I loved. The ghgs were introduced to help keep track of servings. I know they helped me and still do. Core must have come after Fit and Fiber as it was just being introduced when I came back to WWers in 2001. Our area was one that was testing it. I opted not to participate in the test and I've never done Core, or any of it's "babies". Just wasn't a way of eating that I could wrap my arms around.
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Post by Jennifer on Sept 2, 2019 16:37:03 GMT
23 SmartPoints a day is estimated to be 1,200 calories if a member doesn’t go crazy with the zero-point foods. That's interesting zazzles, then why do I read so much about Freestyle not being enough calories? Think I read like 800 ?
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