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Post by finreporter on Apr 30, 2020 17:11:28 GMT
the amash thing may hurt biden. i know that my BIL who originally voted for trump in 2016 is now seeing the light (not sure how he didn't see it before) and mentioned to my ex husband that he may be warming to biden. however, he does consider himself a libertarian so if amash throws his hat in the ring, even though he won't win, people like my BIL could end up taking just enough away from biden. and we can't have a close race this time. it has to be overwhelming enough support for biden to get all the EC votes. seeing as how hillary won the popular vote but just enough to show she was the popular vote winner, but not enough for it to be overwhelming, we ended up with the wannabe dictator who has trouble with multi-syllabic words. i'm not a biden fan though. but i'll suck it up because the alternative is worse plus i do think biden will now have the overwhelming pressure to actually make more progressive change, given the fact we all see how this virus has exposed how ridiculous it is for people to only have healthcare if they have a job and ACA marketplace is crazy expensive so many people who can't take advantage of a subsidy can't afford to get the coverage at all. hopefully if nothing else, we at least get biden and medicare for all in his term (plus undo all the crap the orange guy effed up).
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Post by birdgal on Apr 30, 2020 17:56:33 GMT
Nope. I'm not concerned at all about these allegations. I also do not think Biden should address them and bring himself down to their disgraceful and disgusting level.
People in glass houses should never throw stones! When the GOP cleans up all the illegal, disgraceful, disgusting, inhumane, dangerous, deadly, and stupid things they are doing to put the whole world in danger, maybe I'll listen to them.
Until then they need to take that GIANT plank out of their own fogged up eyes and leave the little specks alone in ours!
I'd like Biden to ignore the distractions, stick to the issues, and make the republicans stick to them too.
Give them nothing to distract us, to waste our time, to daze or confuse us with.
Nip this BS in the bud, Joe. Don't play their silly games. Give them nothing!
Go higher!
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Post by birdgal on Apr 30, 2020 19:43:54 GMT
Anne, nice to see your smiling little face again!
You were missed!
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Post by nashville11 on Apr 30, 2020 21:47:06 GMT
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Post by birdgal on Apr 30, 2020 22:03:36 GMT
I have the same amount of disgust for women who make these things up, than I do for the predators.
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Post by finreporter on Apr 30, 2020 22:10:20 GMT
i'm not able to read the article because my work laptop has an adblocker, but i will say that more women don't say anything at all and thus when they do speak up it is more likely to be true than the numbers of women that just make this up.
i can't even tell you how many times i've been sexually assualted even in a mild manner (and in some not so mild manners but i'll spare you the details) and didn't say anything because people are more quick to judge than to support (did you act in such a way to prompt it, maybe if you had just been stronger this wouldn't have happened to you, oh no not him, he'd never do something like that, but he's so goodlooking and everyone likes him, why would it bother you that he did that to you, etc).
so when women do say something, i'm usually more apt to believe them than to think it's a made up hoax. not always, i've definitely been known to have disbelief when something seems amiss about the allegation, but more times than not, i believe them.
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Post by finreporter on May 1, 2020 0:37:11 GMT
also think how embarrassing it is when you're young and out of university, new to a job that seemed really exciting (staff assistant in the senate offices in DC), and a well-respected powerful senator decides he thinks you're attractive and puts his hand up your skirt with fingers in the vagina. when you didn't ask for it but it happened anyway and men who do those things can sometimes tend to be pretty smooth at having that happen or you're just nervous and scared enough at the encounter that you wonder if you did do something to prompt it so maybe you rationalize to yourself better not to say anything in case you look bad or you don't want them to look bad (so sick how we do that too...respect their reputation more than ourselves because of the backlash if and when you tell people what happened).
nothing about her story surprises me. and not that women are immune to being the perpetrators of that kind of smooth-talking yet aggressive behavior, but they're usually not, and so that's why it is fricken high time we have a female president. she likely has way less skeletons in her closet. not that all men have skeletons in their closet either, but i'm just ready for a leadership change that gives us a 180 already and will benefit this country greatly.
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Post by conniefromct on May 1, 2020 14:33:16 GMT
I'm interested in how you all felt about Christine Blasey Ford - did you listen to those hearings and did you believe her? I listened to all of it and definitely believed her story. Same with Tara Reade - I listened to her interview back in March, and she sounded totally believable to me. I agree with you, finreporter, that very few women ever make this stuff up. Too bad for Biden and overall, he seems like a nice guy, so it is harder to believe he'd do something sleazy like that. I will still vote for him as the necessary alternative to get Trump out. But will be holding my nose, I'm afraid. |
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Post by doordie50 on May 1, 2020 16:09:50 GMT
I'm interested in how you all felt about Christine Blasey Ford - I believe her. I watched her testimony live and I believe her.
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Post by DotRen on May 1, 2020 23:50:52 GMT
I'm on the fence about it.
Going strictly by what her "friends" say she said (harassment, not what was described now) at the time, it's likely something happened.
One of her friends said she said he patted her on the butt and that was it.
It will be impossible to know if it was mutual or not this many years out, no proof, etc.
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Post by finreporter on May 1, 2020 23:57:25 GMT
that's the problem when it's she said, he said. i could tell people about something that happened to me with a date 20 years ago and people will say "well why'd you wait so long to tell and i thought your friends said he only did "xyz" to you?" maybe it was too mortifying at the time to say the actual thing that happened, but i have a feeling if that same date (bummer too that it was a childhood friend we'd known each other since 6th grade kind of thing) was up for an important role such as this (or SCJ like kavanaugh) i may feel obligated to just throw it out there and let people know what kind of person he is.
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