PROGRESSIVE DISCUSSION - MAY 2020

Good morning!

Linda, I woke up thinking about you today and your May baskets. It's a beautiful day here, and would be perfect for making May baskets.

Yesterday I read where several stores such as Target, WalMart, Whole Foods, etc as well as Amazon will be having workers striking today for better working conditions. They feel they are being required to work without proper protection. I wonder how wide spread that will be? For my Eastern European husband this used to be a big holiday when he was growing up as it was Workers Day.

I see this morning that Biden is denying the sexual assault allegations. I hate that this ever came up at all for this particular election, as we already know that this election is going to be as nasty as the JA can make it already as it's the only way he knows. Not saying that this woman has anything to do with the JA and his team, just that there's enough ugliness already out there without more getting added into the mix. But in this day and age, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that something like this will come up. As I've said, true or not true in this particular election it will not change my vote at all. Not even make me second guess my vote. Where in a different election it very well might. That being said, I'm still giving Joe the benefit of the doubt as there seems to be a lot lacking in this woman's story. That doesn't mean she's lying. It just means that I've so far not seen anything to make me think she's on the up-and-up, and I don't think this can be compared to Christine Blasey Ford. If she's telling the truth, I'm truly sorry this happened to her, and I would be very disappointed in Biden. But not enough to stop my vote. I think we've started on a very slippery slope here, and we need to be careful in passing judgments. I think there are a lot of women out there who have been sexually harassed and assaulted where it has been covered up because men had all the power, and women were often not believed when they should have been. So I think women need to be heard, but we also run the risk of condemning an innocent man as well. I've seen this happen with someone I am close to. He had to reprimand a woman who worked for him. She made an ugly allegation about him as retaliation which was completely untrue, and he came very close to losing his job. Fortunately, it was investigated and the truth came out with her even finally admitting that yes she had made the whole thing up because she was angry. Still a lot of damage had been done. So just because a woman speaks out doesn't always mean that she's telling the truth, but just because she's been silent for a long time doesn't always mean that she's lying either. Without proof you pretty much have to go by the character that has been previously displayed. In most cases, if a man has that sort of character there will be definite clues within his past. We haven't seen any of those clues thus far with Biden, and he's been in the public eye for a long time. Heck! This is the third time he's made the run for President. I do think he did not treat Anita Hill fairly, but I'm not ready to say he's guilty for this charge with nothing more than the word of someone who formerly praised him publicly even years after she no longer worked for him, and who has been a very vocal supporter of a rival candidate (Bernie). One of them is lying. I need more facts before I determine who.

conniefromct , you asked on last month's thread whether or not we believed Christine Blasey Ford. Yes, I did believe her. I think she was absolutely telling the truth. I based that on what a credible witness she made when testifying, and Kavanaugh had very clearly given "clues" in his past with his drunken behavior. Also when Kavanaugh testified I thought he came across not as credible but as a whining, sniveling, liar trying to cover up his actions. So I did not believe him, and I did believe her. In this case with Biden and Reid, I don't see a parallel to Kavanaugh and Blasey-Ford.

By the way, I also believed Anita Hill, and I absolutely think Biden was unfair to her in that hearing. Again, she came across to me in the hearing as very believable. Clarence Thomas on the other hand came across as powerful man who was used to getting his way and "how dare anyone make an allegation against me" with his comments about a high tech lynching.

Maybe 2024 will be the year. Surely it will be soon. We have a lot of qualified women who would do a good job.

I decided to do accounting assistant one course a term for the first year. In 2021 2 classes. I want to take Business Math this summer online it is/ I started studying a dummies book on business math and an old text book on business math. The class starts June 15. I will study 1 hour A a day. I can work the polls in fall because Business Spreadsheet Applications will be Monday and Wednesday evening. And if we must often that class is taught online.

Boys and girls, can you say Distraction?

I'm so tired of this BS all the damn time. Are other countries as stupid and immature as US? Of course not. We are the Christian Nation. Pure, holy, and perfect in every way.

Just look at what is sitting in the Oval Office. Goodness, honesty, mercy, and integrity.

I am a radical feminist and proud of it. However, these kind of "gotcha games" don't have a damn thing to do with respect for women. Just the opposite.

It's a tool of bottom feeders who have nothing to bring to the table except juicy gossip.

If it's true let's deal with it. But, I need proof. Strange how long it took to be outraged over such bad behavior.

So tired of BS. Yawn.

i agree that it's crazy how long it took to finally call out and be outraged over the bad behavior. i jumped for joy the day harvey weinstein got sentenced to 23 years for throwing his weight around towards women the way he did for so long.

when men had and continue to have much of the power, of course it gets swept under the gigantic rug. at this point in time, we need to move forward. acknowledge the shitty behavior and get us to a place where it's even more NOT ALLOWED. we are given the choice of biden or trump. i'm not keen on the choices but i know that biden at least has self-awareness when it comes to knowing what he has to do (for the better) to get the giant man baby out of the WH. i hope he does it and makes wise choices between now and the election.

Agreed that sexual harassment has been and still is far too prevalent in our society. On some level pretty much every woman has experienced it. Sometimes it was intentional on the man's part, and sometimes just ingrained in the culture to the point that it wasn't recognized. And men ruled the world, so always had the upper hand. Still I think it is important to keep an open mind and judge each case on its merits. Too often the pendulum has a habit of swinging too far in one direction or the other rather than being balanced.

When I exercise each day I listen to 50s music even though I was a teenager in the 60s. And I have noticed that the lyrics to a great many of those songs are actually very sexist, and really often demeaning to women under today's microscope. That just struck me as interesting and really has no bearing on the conversation or case in question.