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Post by DotRen on Jun 25, 2020 20:06:53 GMT
Do we still need the electoral college? It was so discouraging when Hillary had 3 million more votes than this goon. 3 million more voters chose Her over him and yet he sits in The Oval Office. It has to go the way of the spitoon. I absolutely feel the same way. For us, the individual voters, it doesn't seem like we actually count- it's whatever the electorals decide. I remember an episode of Boston Legal where Candice Bergens nephew was selected as an electorate (?) and she was suing him to make him vote the way the state individuals wanted, not what "he" wanted.
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Post by finreporter on Jun 25, 2020 20:20:28 GMT
but if it's not even close in popular votes even if a candidate wins a state with more electoral votes they can completely go against the results? i guess i need to brush up on my electoral college knowledge. in any case, please everyone get out and vote! You might find this article interesting.
i thought this was interesting as well. www.archives.gov/electoral-college/faq#ecpopulardiffer
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Post by birdgal on Jun 25, 2020 20:42:12 GMT
Interesting it is. However, my head is still spinning.
Does it seem as if the USA makes everything complicated? Maybe other countries do it too.
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Post by finreporter on Jun 25, 2020 21:17:52 GMT
it is certainly ridiculous to think that the weight of votes in less populated states can carry more weight than those in the more populous states. it really needs to just be one vote for each person who votes. that's it. plain and simple. majority rules.
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Post by luanne on Jun 25, 2020 21:25:34 GMT
it is certainly ridiculous to think that the weight of votes in less populated states can carry more weight than those in the more populous states. it really needs to just be one vote for each person who votes. that's it. plain and simple. majority rules. That is the way every other office is decided. It's only for president that we use the electoral college.
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Post by birdgal on Jun 25, 2020 22:27:01 GMT
Plain and simple. Majority rules. That does makes sense. So, we probably won't do it.
AARG! Do I sound like Lucy from Peanuts? Lol.
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Post by bbbearsmom on Jun 25, 2020 23:39:30 GMT
the weight of votes in less populated states can carry more weight than those in the more populous states. That isn't true. The number of electors is equal to a state's representation in the Senate and the House of Representative, therefore the more populous states have more electors. It depends on which states a candidate carries. While Hilary had more votes the states she won had less electors. This is a link to a Wikipedia article about the Electoral College: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College
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Post by lani on Jun 26, 2020 1:18:39 GMT
A bit complicated, eh? The wiki article stated opponents of the Electoral College say it gives less populated states 4 times the voting power of more populous states. I'll have to go back and read the whole thing more closely.
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Post by finreporter on Jun 26, 2020 2:57:24 GMT
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Post by finreporter on Jun 26, 2020 3:02:27 GMT
Do we still need the electoral college? It was so discouraging when Hillary had 3 million more votes than this goon. 3 million more voters chose Her over him and yet he sits in The Oval Office. It has to go the way of the spitoon. I absolutely feel the same way. For us, the individual voters, it doesn't seem like we actually count- it's whatever the electorals decide. I remember an episode of Boston Legal where Candice Bergens nephew was selected as an electorate (?) and she was suing him to make him vote the way the state individuals wanted, not what "he" wanted. from what i read about it today, sounds like the electoral votes do end up along popular vote lines. 48 out of 50 states, the electoral college casts its votes in line with majority votes. but for the link i posted above, it sounds like the higher the voter turnout, the less weight the individual vote counts for a state. so in states where voter turnout is lower, the individual vote carries more weight than a place where voter turnout is higher. if that's the case, voter suppression in lower populated states would be highly advantageous to the GOP. not that it's surprising. in any case, seems overly complicated
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Post by lani on Jun 26, 2020 15:55:39 GMT
The Electoral College is not going away. Just have to deal with it.
It's important for the current administration to attempt to repeal (no replacement has been devised) the ACA and throw 20+ million people off insurance in the midst of a pandemic and record unemployment. <Sarcasm Font - Bigley>
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Post by birdgal on Jun 26, 2020 16:18:28 GMT
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. 🤔 Overly complicated sounds about right. Lol.
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Post by lani on Jun 26, 2020 19:24:28 GMT
I've cracked the code: you're not a true Trumper unless you are willing to kill and, yes, die for him. Fortunately, the Covid provides them with the opportunity to do both simultaneously and easily. All they have to do is forego a mask and mingle. I guess they could really step it up and cough on people they profile as possible Biden voters, i.e. people of color. They might accidentally get a few of their own, but statistically it would be so low it wouldn't matter.
This is what is happening to my mind with all this shit, and I don't like it. Cynical and sarcastic.
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Post by finreporter on Jun 26, 2020 19:51:02 GMT
lani, me too. the sad part is we're not wrong. and it deeply hurts to know that's the case.
in a small token of good news today, dt's ratings are even more in the toilet today.
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Post by conniefromct on Jun 26, 2020 20:38:20 GMT
Pence sure looked like a fool without a mask at the briefing today. And couldn't answer the reporter's question about mask-wearing and mixed messages coming from the WH.
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