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Post by fullmahina on Jun 10, 2020 15:29:14 GMT
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Post by DotRen on Jun 10, 2020 16:17:29 GMT
That's so true.
Everyone wants to "get back to normal" but we need more logical thinking because it will be years before we're back to our previous concept of "normal", if ever - but so many people want it NOW!
Seeing that consumers are still refusing, to the point of assault, to wear masks just shows how ingrained our "I want it MY way" thinking it- and it has to change or we, as a world, will never recover.
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Post by surfgirl on Jun 10, 2020 19:01:03 GMT
That's so true. Everyone wants to "get back to normal" but we need more logical thinking because it will be years before we're back to our previous concept of "normal", if ever - but so many people want it NOW! Seeing that consumers are still refusing, to the point of assault, to wear masks just shows how ingrained our "I want it MY way" thinking it- and it has to change or we, as a world, will never recover. Sadly DotRen, this is the problem with both the COVID crisis and the racial equality crisis. A lot of mostly white folks digging in their heels about wanting things 'the way they used to be' and the world has changed, we cannot go backwards and we cannot bitch and moan about 'the good old days' because there was plenty of shit then too. We all have to move forward and do right by one another. I know it shouldn't surprise me at how many assholes there are out there, but it still does. There is no 'get back to normal' now. There is a 'new normal'. |
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Post by finreporter on Jun 10, 2020 20:45:17 GMT
exactly. there will be a new normal but it won't be the one it was before (for covid) and it SHOULDN'T be the one it was before (for racial injustice). everyone can love on their freedoms all they want but when the freedoms are for those who won't die from it or get severely ill and hospitalized or freedoms for those who don't have a dark skin tone (because we know for a fact they haven't had true freedom in the sense that many of us have taken for granted), then it's not really true freedom.
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Post by alias123 on Jun 10, 2020 22:50:03 GMT
I think the Paul Krugman article was spot on.
"America in 2020, it seems, is too disunited, with too many people in the grip of ideology and partisanship, to deal effectively with a pandemic. We have the knowledge, we have the resources, but we don’t have the will."
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Post by fullmahina on Jun 10, 2020 23:57:14 GMT
I am going to toss this into the cauldron.
It's pretty widely accepted that wearing a simple surgical or cloth mask only serves to protect OTHERS from germs that you, the mask-wearer, may be carrying. Hence the little oft-repeated phrase "I wear a mask to protect you and you wear a mask to protect me."
Sooooo....we have now gone into Phase 2 in NY. Open air distanced dining has started and the news tonight is full of smiling diners sitting outside and enjoying their meals and beverages.
The servers are wearing simple surgical masks. The diners of course are not wearing masks. Those simple surgical masks provide almost no protection for the servers. Servers cannot stay six feet away from the customers. Some of those customers are bound to be carrying COVID-19.
I can only guess that servers now are considered a disposable class of workers. Are we really that selfish? I am betting that a lot of us are.
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Post by finreporter on Jun 11, 2020 0:52:57 GMT
yes. we as a country have shown exactly who is disposable to us. servers, fast food employees, hair stylists and barbers, supermarket employees, amazon warehouse staff, etc.
and of course anyone over a certain age. all lives matter indeed.
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Post by finreporter on Jun 11, 2020 1:03:21 GMT
i just read that LA county is opening up gyms, museums and salons on friday. even though we have increasing cases. wow.
i also noticed in agoura hills and calabasas (cities right near me), they have signs on many restaurants that say "dine-in now available." they are part of the county but maybe they get to override it via city council vote? not sure how that worked.
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Post by fullmahina on Jun 11, 2020 14:53:57 GMT
SIGH.
Just got off the phone with my sister. Her little Texas town just had its first confirmed COVID case. Almost no one is wearing masks at the stores there. It is "not required." She and her SO wear masks and she has been publicly derided for doing so in Walmart.
So I figured she was trying, at least. Oh yeah, until it came to going to her favorite salon. NO ONE was wearing masks, including her. She went for a cut, highlights, blow dry. Probably there for close to two hours.
I effin' give up. This is one helluva s**tshow and it is only going to get worse.
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Post by lani on Jun 11, 2020 15:31:41 GMT
Our county is opening up bars on Friday. No idea how this will work. Beaches remain closed until after the 4th. We get a ton of out of towners fleeing the heat for the coast, and they're still trying to get folks to stay in their own county, at least. I'm in NorCal, or central Cal, depending on who you ask.
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Post by luanne on Jun 11, 2020 15:50:11 GMT
Our county is opening up bars on Friday. No idea how this will work. Beaches remain closed until after the 4th. We get a ton of out of towners fleeing the heat for the coast, and they're still trying to get folks to stay in their own county, at least. I'm in NorCal, or central Cal, depending on who you ask. When I lived in California we considered anything Santa Barbara and north part of northern California. 
I was raised in what is definitely southern California, just outside Los Angeles. Went way north (Humboldt State) for college, then settled in Orange County for awhile until a job transfer took me to the San Francisco Bay area. Lived there until dh and I both retired and we moved to Santa Fe. My bff (the one who got burned out) lived in Atascadero for some years, then the Bay Area, then Healdsburg, Modesto and finally Paradise. My older dd lives in the Silicon Valley.
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Post by doordie50 on Jun 11, 2020 20:46:53 GMT
I effin' give up. This is one helluva s**tshow and it is only going to get worse. It's so beyond discouraging. I even can't fathom the numbers we'll see in a few weeks, nevermind the numbers predicted by September. The selloff on Wall Street today is massive with fears of a second wave. Numbers of any kind are beginning to feel like Monopoly money. There's such a disconnect. And I just keep saying, if only... #@$*!
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Post by lani on Jun 11, 2020 20:51:55 GMT
luanne, DH and I worked and lived in Silicon Valley (Intel, Cisco, many others) until we lit out for the coast. I'm retired, Mr. Lani laid off in the pandemic. I don't know if he'll work again or not.
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Post by finreporter on Jun 11, 2020 21:06:10 GMT
i was born in hayward and raised in fremont. i went to university at saint mary's in moraga. most of my life has been bay area! my childhood camping trips were capitola and my first ever roller coaster was the giant dipper at santa cruz boardwalk.
i miss it up there. i love it here too but have so much nostalgia for northern CA.
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Post by luanne on Jun 11, 2020 21:20:08 GMT
finreporter , my ex-husband was from Hayward. His mom lived there until she passed away. One of his sisters still lives there in the same apartment she lived in when I first knew him. My college roommate got married at St. Mary's (I think). Dh (the current one) and I got married in Moraga as well, at Hacienda del las Flores. I miss the Bay Area, but NOT the traffic!
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