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Post by DotRen on Nov 14, 2020 19:03:00 GMT
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Post by DotRen on Nov 15, 2020 14:17:01 GMT
*admits I sometimes play Bidens videos on youtube after hearing the outgoing pres speak, just for some calm and normalcy*
I had an interesting discussion with my trump supporting sister in law (not the one in the hospital with covid). She said that she didn't think trump had covid, that he just said that so he could have a few days off. I agree with her. I also told her that sent the wrong message to the followers who don't think covid is serious. She agreed, BUT she follows the "it's like the flu" lies. I asked her how many people she knows have had covid- she said about 10. How many hospitalized? She said 4 -and 2 died. So I asked her "in a normal flu season, what are those numbers like?" She said normally zero. So I asked her again: you still believe it's "like the flu" - she didn't answer.
She got on the "fake news" crap. And I said "you can't blame fake news for the words he says himself, for the vitrol on his twitter comments, for the press conferences when he, himself, is speaking". And she agreed with me that trump has made no attempts to sooth the divide in the nation, that his words "can" make it worse (I didn't push that his words DO make it worse). and that Biden is more likely able to help heal the country. Me: So why did you vote for trump again. Her: because Biden isn't "strong"... Oy.
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Post by DotRen on Nov 15, 2020 18:25:36 GMT
I don't get the whole "fake news" mantra when DT lies constantly, is proven to lie constantly, but the media is who they choose not to believe? And facts. And science. That's scary.
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Post by lani on Nov 15, 2020 18:35:27 GMT
At this point I think everyone is going to go with whatever media reinforces what they already believe and want to hear. Facts no longer matter, everything the other side says is fake. Of course, I believe my news souces are sound, and Trumpers believe whatever he says. Folks who don't know by now that he lies about everything are beyond reason.
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Post by bbbearsmom on Nov 15, 2020 21:56:28 GMT
I've been zoning out reading news on the computer, a lot of it is a rehash of the same thing over and over, a version for each side. I'm really interested in stories about the court cases. I read this and have come to believe it, they probably know Biden won but they'll keep this up to undermine his legitimacy. All the proof out there to the contrary and they are still digging for evidence of fraud and they don't accept any of the explanations. As has been said on here they just lie, I mean really big lies that are in no way true.
One case that interests me is supposedly Democratic counties in Pennsylvania allowed voters to come in and correct their mailed-in ballots, and the Republican counties didn't. Now the Republicans want to throw out all the mail-in ballots in the Democratic counties. Will be interesting to see how this goes.
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Post by lani on Nov 15, 2020 22:27:16 GMT
One case that interests me is supposedly Democratic counties in Pennsylvania allowed voters to come in and correct their mailed-in ballots, and the Republican counties didn't. Now the Republicans want to throw out all the mail-in ballots in the Democratic counties. Will be interesting to see how this goes. Boy, this took a while to fact check. The bottom line is (as far as I can make out) the Republican counties didn't do this because it would have favored the Democratic votes. Also the number of votes involved are too few to matter, in any case. It said all counties got the same guidance to notify voters of ballot errors and give them a chance to come in and cast a provision ballot. The court cases I'm interested in are if anything criminal is ever proved against Trump once he leaves office. Judging by his favorite tactic of preemptive lawsuits and counter-suits, I'm thinking he'll tie everything up in the courts forever. ETA: Chelsea Clinton tweeted that there are Trump supporters outside her parents' house shouting "Lock Her Up" through megaphones. Good Grief.
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Post by DotRen on Nov 15, 2020 23:05:33 GMT
lani, they should counter with "let it go" at full volume lol
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Post by lani on Nov 15, 2020 23:58:48 GMT
lani , they should counter with "let it go" at full volume lol That would be a great comeback!
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Post by bbbearsmom on Nov 16, 2020 0:17:06 GMT
lani, Thanks for fact checking the case.
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Post by DotRen on Nov 16, 2020 13:28:02 GMT
Ok we all need a little humor (some language)
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Post by lani on Nov 16, 2020 16:32:58 GMT
bbbearsmom , I saw another Penn. lawsuit had been dismissed, but I'm not sure if it's the one you mentioned. I also saw that Trump's suits have lost 1-23. Someone on the GDT asked which one was sustained. No one has answered that yet. I suppose I could go check it for myself. Alrighty, all I could find was a ruling for Penn. that some ballots be segregated in case deadlines extended by the Sec of State are found to be unconstitutional. The number won't be enough to change the results no matter which way it goes. And observers were allowed to stand within 6 feet of ballot counters rather than 12 feet. Tha-tha-that's all folks!
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Post by DotRen on Nov 16, 2020 16:38:47 GMT
1 million new cases in 6 days and the POTUS is just whining and throwing a tantrum instead of doing his job. And taking credit for the vaccine. Shouldn't be surprised, but I still am.
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Post by lani on Nov 16, 2020 16:40:56 GMT
He doesn't surprise me, but the number of his cult members still do.
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Post by amyrs on Nov 16, 2020 18:46:18 GMT
In Wisconsin 3 people are suing to get Madison and Miilwaukeesvotes to not count and Menomee. county where Native Americans are. they say those votes don't count.
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Post by lani on Nov 16, 2020 20:08:42 GMT
Did the first Black President and the first woman who had the nerve to even consider running, unleash and unite all this resistance to progress? Obama thinks that. It's in his new book. Speaking of Obama, on 60 Minutes he talked about "truth decay". It would be a funny use of words if it weren't so sad. DotRen, I think it was you who predicted troop withdrawals. You were right. He is also trying to ram through drilling rights in Alaska, and to quote CNN "trying to box Biden in with China." Not exactly sure what that last one involves, but, sheesh, I wish I had been more wrong with my scorched earth prediction.
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