squid
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Post by squid on Aug 15, 2018 15:29:24 GMT
OK folks, explain this one to me. It's another example of how you can't make logical choices in the grocery store without looking up every single flippin' thing on the Freestyle app.
Nutritional Info for Bush's Black Beans (1/2 c. serving):
Calories - 100
Sat. Fat - 0
Sugar - less than 1
Protein - 6
Nutritional Info for Bush's Black Bean Fiesta (1/2 c. serving):
Calories - 120
Sat. Fat - 0
Sugar - 2
Protein - 7
The black beans are 0 Freestyle points, and the black bean fiesta is 3 Freestyle points. Really? 20 calories and 2 gr. of sugar = 3 points? The black bean fiesta consists of black beans with some corn and red pepper thrown in, with a chipolte sauce, which I assume contributes to the extra calories and sugar. I can see adding a point for each 1/2 c. serving, but 3 points? Opinions? Am I off base here?
Roz
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Post by ann1953 on Aug 15, 2018 16:49:20 GMT
I agree, it doesn't make sense to me either. I can see 1-2 points but 3?  ?? No way! |
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Post by itsrad on Aug 15, 2018 16:57:03 GMT
It is because once it isn't a "zero-point" food, you go back to the SP calculation from the NI.
So 120 cals + 4*sugar grams - 3.2*Protein = 3 SP
And the fact that I can't do this in my head standing in a grocery store without giving myself a headache is the reason I abandoned FP before I started. I will not shop with a calculator in my hand, I can barely keep track of a list.
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Post by diva49 on Aug 15, 2018 17:09:12 GMT
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Post by zazzles on Aug 15, 2018 17:47:07 GMT
squid, It is just like the long-standing Core/Momentum/SimplyFilling rule: any non-zero item in a recipe (in this case the Fiesta beans are a recipe) makes the entire recipe countable. itsrad, totally agree about not stopping to scan and calculate every food. Last thing I need to do is make the grocery store experience take longer and be more painful.
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Post by squid on Aug 15, 2018 17:51:30 GMT
squid , It is just like the long-standing Core/Momentum/SimplyFilling rule: any non-zero item in a recipe (in this case the Fiesta beans are a recipe) makes the entire recipe countable. itsrad , totally agree about not stopping to scan and calculate every food. Last thing I need to do is make the grocery store experience take longer and be more painful. Ironically, if I made my own fiesta beans with black beans, corn, and green pepper, I would only count points for the chipolte sauce I added to the bean and vegetable mixture. Roz |
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Post by zazzles on Aug 15, 2018 19:15:00 GMT
squid , It is just like the long-standing Core/Momentum/SimplyFilling rule: any non-zero item in a recipe (in this case the Fiesta beans are a recipe) makes the entire recipe countable. itsrad , totally agree about not stopping to scan and calculate every food. Last thing I need to do is make the grocery store experience take longer and be more painful. Ironically, if I made my own fiesta beans with black beans, corn, and green pepper, I would only count points for the chipolte sauce I added to the bean and vegetable mixture. Roz Yep. I think that's their idea—whacky as it is. Y'know, I followed POINTS, PointsPlus, and initially SP as well as SP FreeStyle. But for me, the blush left the rose long ago. I understand people's comments that lower numbers (points) are easier to count and track than higher numbers (calories). But through the evolution of products, as has been pointed out across many posts in this thread, if one wants to ensure enough but not too many calories, and figure out which products like the two versions of beans you mention, then one has to do a HUGE amount of additional work—scanning products, determine which of many possible crowd-sourcec entries for a product are correct and, if none are, taking the time to create your own entry using the calculator. So when you add the burdens of FreeStyle on top of the low points to count, just how much simplier IS Freestyle over counting calories without all the proprietary points BS? Doesn't seem like there's really any labor savings and the NI feedback vis-a-vis points is less accurate than that of calories and standard NI. |
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Post by linda72 on Aug 15, 2018 22:22:28 GMT
I just saw this on my FB page:  |
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Post by Kitty on Aug 21, 2018 7:02:34 GMT
squid , It is just like the long-standing Core/Momentum/SimplyFilling rule: any non-zero item in a recipe (in this case the Fiesta beans are a recipe) makes the entire recipe countable. But it seems to me that even WW is inconsistent on this. First, as pointed out, if you make it at home then it doesn't make the entire recipe countable. You zero out the zero point foods. Also, even on some store bought food, there are inconsistents. For example, for some frozen foods, with chicken breast (per the ingredients) you get the points clearly with the zero point foods removed from the calculation. Other times they are counted. I've noticed this with some frozen vegetables that have some sort of non-zero point sauce or seasoning. Sometimes the serving points are clearly not including the zero point foods. Other times it does. I've heard a couple of explanations for this. One is that sometimes the manufacturer doesn't give WW the info so it can break it down. I understand that. But, in many cases there are some foods by the same manufacturer where the zero point foods are counted and others where they are not. There also seems to be kind of a vague thing where it seems to depend on who discrete they can see the zero point food. I find it very hard to figure that. |
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?? No way!
