pbnj
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Post by pbnj on Feb 11, 2017 12:59:14 GMT
We are a group of like-minded people that gather to discuss a host of topics from weight loss, to current events. Our thread celebrates liberal diversity, welcomes new friends, and respects all opinions. We count everything from calories to points but, we never count our chickens before they've hatched!
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pbnj
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Post by pbnj on Feb 11, 2017 13:01:13 GMT
Excellent article on the "madness" under which we are living. This paragraph really resonated with me... One of the great achievements of free society in a stable democracy is that many people, for much of the time, need not think about politics at all. The president of a free country may dominate the news cycle many days — but he is not omnipresent — and because we live under the rule of law, we can afford to turn the news off at times. A free society means being free of those who rule over you — to do the things you care about, your passions, your pastimes, your loves — to exult in that blessed space where politics doesn’t intervene. In that sense, it seems to me, we already live in a country with markedly less freedom than we did a month ago. It’s less like living in a democracy than being a child trapped in a house where there is an abusive and unpredictable father, who will brook no reason, respect no counter-argument, admit no error, and always, always up the ante until catastrophe inevitably strikes. This is what I mean by the idea that we are living through an emergency." from: nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/02/andrew-sullivan-the-madness-of-king-donald.html
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Post by doordie50 on Feb 11, 2017 14:26:34 GMT
Excellent article on the "madness" under which we are living. This paragraph really resonated with me... One of the great achievements of free society in a stable democracy is that many people, for much of the time, need not think about politics at all. The president of a free country may dominate the news cycle many days — but he is not omnipresent — and because we live under the rule of law, we can afford to turn the news off at times. A free society means being free of those who rule over you — to do the things you care about, your passions, your pastimes, your loves — to exult in that blessed space where politics doesn’t intervene. In that sense, it seems to me, we already live in a country with markedly less freedom than we did a month ago. It’s less like living in a democracy than being a child trapped in a house where there is an abusive and unpredictable father, who will brook no reason, respect no counter-argument, admit no error, and always, always up the ante until catastrophe inevitably strikes. This is what I mean by the idea that we are living through an emergency." from: nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/02/andrew-sullivan-the-madness-of-king-donald.htmlTHIS!
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Post by nashville11 on Feb 11, 2017 18:05:38 GMT
Tell it like it is, Bernie . . .
“It is unconscionable that Republican Leader Mitch McConnell silenced Sen. Elizabeth Warren because she read a letter from one of the great civil rights leaders, Coretta Scott King, in opposition to Jeff Sessions. When I read the same letter, no one prevented me from speaking. And when I asked to enter the entire text into the record, nobody objected. Sen. McConnell owes Sen. Warren an apology and of course she should participate in this important debate. In the U.S. Senate, you don’t ban a senator from engaging in debate. Donald Trump and Republicans are quickly moving us in an un-American and authoritarian direction. This cannot be allowed to take place in the Senate.” -- Senator Bernie Sanders
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Post by birdgal on Feb 11, 2017 19:17:07 GMT
"Somehow, he is never in control of himself and yet he is always in control of you." I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record but we have been warned this was going to happen. The book "1984" has sold out on Amazon. Now? In 2017? Hello? Warnings about Big Brother have been around for almost 70 years. I believe Americans have been indoctrinated in a different way than others have been. We've been taught or brainwashed to believe that we're the greatest. The best. Number One. We're different and set apart from all those other people in all those other countries. We're smart and proud and can't be fooled. We are Americans and because we're Americans, "That would NEVER happen here!" It's different over here. We're not like other people. We're Americans so we can't be tricked. We're too smart for that. Nobody is going to pull the wool over our eyes. Everything in that article is going on right now. And yet there's people that still can't or won't see it. Why? Because we're different. We're a special kind of people. We won't let it. Not here. We're good. We don't 'believe' it can happen here. "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley
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Post by nashville11 on Feb 11, 2017 22:20:13 GMT
Good point, birdgal /Pat about the way Americans have been indoctrinated. I think you are right that we have been conditioned to think that the kind of things which have happened in other places could not happen here. Yet that is exactly the path we are going down right now. I have hope, however, because I do see a lot of people rising up and saying "No! We won't allow this to happen." We must maintain the momentum of that movement, and not allow ourselves to become complacent. I especially like the Aldous Huxley quote too.
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Post by birdgal on Feb 12, 2017 0:53:38 GMT
"We must maintain the momentum of that movement, and not allow ourselves to become complacent."
I totally agree, Joyce. We can't look away for a moment or let our guard down. This is about our lives and the lives of the next generation as well as the lives of all the other Beings that call this planet home. This is not normal. The dump is not normal or moral. He's a dangerous man. I love the part in the link that Pat posted about how we'd react if we actually met someone like him. Danger, Will Robertson. Danger!
That IS a good quote, isn't it?
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Post by nashville11 on Feb 12, 2017 16:19:39 GMT
Really interesting how so many loudly vocal Republicans kept shouting for the past few years how horrible Obamacare was, how everybody hated it, how it wasn't helping anyone despite not having any facts to back their assertions up, but somehow they "always" had heard horror stories about it (which they generated). Now, we're seeing the very vocal protests of ordinary citizens who as a rule don't get involved politically but are terrified now that Republicans dismantling Obamacare might come to pass and it would be devastating for these citizens. I live in a very red state with a Republican governor and Republican state legislature as well as federal legislators and senators. Yet, at a recent town hall not far from me the Republican Congresswoman was shouted down by very angry Republican voters because they do NOT want to lose Obamacare. In fact, she became so flustered by questions from people with cancer, etc. who were depending on Obamacare and grateful to have it that she finally had to say she couldn't answer their questions and conclude the meeting. And just to be clear, these were people who had voted Republican and who always vote Republican. Don't get me started on why they didn't stop to think about this before they cast their vote in the first place. I guess they were too busy dreaming about useless walls.
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Post by birdgal on Feb 12, 2017 19:12:04 GMT
"Don't get me started on why they didn't stop to think about this before they cast their vote in the first place."
I don't think they "thought" about anything except voting against the Democrat. It's what they've always done and it doesn't matter who or what the Republican party puts out there.
Like I've said before just about everything we have to make our lives a little easier have been brought to us by Democrats. Republicans don't want to vote for Dems but they sure want to partake of all the helpful things the Dems put in place for The People.
A few years back there was a guy on another board that wouldn't shut up about how immoral the Dems are and he could never vote for one of those evil people or have anything to do with them. I knew he was on SS so I asked him if he really felt that way why not give away his SS checks and refuse Medicare? That was different. He earned that and it has nothing to do with those evil Democrats. Oh, okay then. lol.
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Post by yogamama007 on Feb 12, 2017 19:16:42 GMT
And generated and generated and generated with 1/2 truths, and PFA pseudo facts.
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