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Post by nashville11 on May 17, 2019 13:58:15 GMT
Did any of you see last night's Hardball segment with Chris Matthews? I only saw a very short segment of it, but what I saw was interesting. He was holding a town hall meeting with people from a county in Pennsylvania that normally votes Democrat but in 2016 went heavily for Trump. A lot of the people were not pleased with Trump, but they weren't ready to jump on the Democrat bandwagon either. From the brief amount I saw they were saying that Democrats spend too much time talking about social issues, when what they really want to know is concrete plans for what they're going to do to make their daily lives better. Many of them said that despite the fact that figures show the economy is good, they're not feeling that. The jobs that are out there pay low wages, and so they're not getting ahead no matter how hard they work. It was interesting. I wish I had been able to see the whole thing. Sometimes I do think Democrats spend too much time talking about things that don't necessarily relate directly to the voter. All those things are important, but these folks wanted to know what specifically is going to be done to help them climb out of debt.
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Post by doordie50 on May 17, 2019 14:36:32 GMT
The Dems running need to keep hammering the idea that there are two economies. They need to drive that message over and over again in their stump speeches.
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Post by nashville11 on May 17, 2019 16:24:45 GMT
The Dems running need to keep hammering the idea that there are two economies. They need to drive that message over and over again in their stump speeches. Agreed Pam! It doesn't help these people to have a low unemployment rate when they can't survive on the wages paid. There's a huge divide between the "haves" and the "have nots" and that divide is just growing bigger. When people are struggling daily, it's difficult to for them to see the big picture down the road, so Democrats need to focus on the immediate needs of these people. It's hard for them to become excited about the plight of immigrants when they can't put food on their own table, send their child to college, pay their doctor bills, put gas in their tanks, or have to put some groceries back when they get to the check-out line.
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Post by DotRen on May 17, 2019 16:43:40 GMT
About the abortion laws.. I'm pro-choice, thankfully I never had to make that choice, and I can't imagine how physically and emotionally traumatic it would be. BUT... All these celebrities coming out and saying that they had abortions to (basically) further their careers/because it was "inconvenient" (not in those words, but for some of them, you can read between the lines), I don't think they're helping the "pro choice" stance at all. I think they're harming it by playing into the pro-life stance that it's just a method of birth control when you can't take responsibility for your actions.
I may be totally wrong or off base, but that's how I see what is happening with the "celebrity endorsements".
(I'm leaving out the incredible stupidity that it excludes rape or incest unless a police report is filed (because a lot of women don't go to the police right away, or ever!); or that it's saying they will have an inquisition about miscarriages and "rule" on whether it was intentional or not -because that kind of stupidity is just without any logic or acceptable explanation).
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Post by amyrs on May 17, 2019 18:43:20 GMT
pence when governor put a woman with a miscarriage in prison for 40 years.
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Post by doordie50 on May 17, 2019 19:18:50 GMT
DotRen , I agree, those celebrity endorsements aren't helpful. The celebrity factor has always been tricky. I also think it's a huge miscalculation to have excluded incest and rape for the obvious reasons. It's simply too extreme. Even reasonable republicans think it goes to far. @lka5 , what's going on with your weather up there Linda?! Hope you don't lose any plants. amyrs , why am I not surprised that happened? Ugh.
Joyce, have you been surprised at all by the polls? Biden's out far ahead. I know it's really early but, I can't help but wonder just how badly that bodes for Bernie more than anyone else.
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Post by nashville11 on May 17, 2019 20:12:59 GMT
The abortion question is the most difficult one I face. I am just so very thankful that I never had to make that choice, nor did my daughter, and I pray my granddaughter will never be faced with it as well, but if God forbid that should happen then I want her to be able to make her own choice and I will love her and support her regardless of what her choice is. Perhaps there are some women who don't agonize about making that choice, but I have to believe they are few and far between. But as hard as it would be for me to make that choice, I can imagine scenarios where it would be necessary, and I don't believe anyone should be involved in that choice other than the woman and her doctor, and any person the woman chooses to seek counsel from. It absolutely should not be up to the government or anyone else. How dare these self-righteous Republicans try to dictate what a woman can and can not do with her own body? Where are they when that child needs healthcare, when it needs food, education, a loving home? They're busy locking poor immigrant children up in cages. Pam, the polls really are strong for Biden, much stronger than I had expected. It worries me that he's going to be anointed the winner in much the same way Hillary was by the media, and that hurt Hillary in my opinion. When you're at the top of the heap, everybody below pretty much has to try and pull you down, and with so many candidates out there that's a lot of people who will be gunning for Biden besides just Trump. I don't know if Biden is the best candidate or not, but if he is the one who is most likely to be able to beat Trump then I am all for him. I just want Trump gone, and I'll vote for anyone who can make that happen. I like Biden, but I like several of the candidates. LOL! And there's a bunch of them that I don't have a clue about. The one I find most impressive is Mayor Pete, but I don't know if he's ready to clean up the mess Trump has made or not. Biden would have the most experience in being able to do that. DotRen, I agree with you about the celebrity endorsements. I think they hurt a lot more than they help.
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Post by luanne on May 17, 2019 21:05:54 GMT
I don't say I am pro-abortion. No one is pro-abortion. But I am firmly pro-choice. I was lucky that I never needed to make the decision about having an abortion. Birth control always worked for me, and when I did get pregnant, both of my pregnancies were wanted and the babies were healthy. I was older so I had the testing, and if we'd found there were any problems, I truly don't know what we (meaning my dh and I) would have decided. We may very well have decided to terminate the pregnancy. But again, I didn't have to make that decision. If I had I was glad I could have have an abortion safely and legally and that MY doctor could have performed the procedure. I remember when I had just graduated from college a friend of mine who lived in Utah had to come to California to have an abortion at a clinic.
A friend of my sister had a late term abortion. I don't remember the details, but either the baby had died, or would have died at birth. She chose the abortion as she felt she couldn't continue the pregnancy with people constantly asking her how she was feeling and when was the baby due. A very difficult decision.
I don't know what anyone, let alone any woman, would want to take this right of choice away.
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Post by yogamama007 on May 17, 2019 21:57:05 GMT
About the abortion laws.. I'm pro-choice, thankfully I never had to make that choice, and I can't imagine how physically and emotionally traumatic it would be. DotRen Well put Rene.....I too am pro-choice. What a sad horrible decision for a woman or a woman and man to have to make. And I sincerely doubt that it is made as capriciously as Pence and those fools in Alabama would have you believe! I had two successful pregnancies and one spontaneous miscarriage. It was surprising to me the way my body mourned about the time the baby would have been born. Didn't put it together till a couple of years after. Do not take a woman's control over her body away in any shape or form. It is a very slippery slope that will put woman's rights back 100 years.
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Post by yogamama007 on May 17, 2019 21:59:28 GMT
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Post by yogamama007 on May 17, 2019 22:04:01 GMT
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Post by yogamama007 on May 17, 2019 23:01:59 GMT
Where are they when that child needs healthcare, when it needs food, education, a loving home? Why now, that has absolutely nothing to do with them. They would never think of adopting a child who needs them.
As a matter of fact boys take two,they're small.
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Post by DotRen on May 17, 2019 23:09:57 GMT
Where are they when that child needs healthcare, when it needs food, education, a loving home? Why now, that has absolutely nothing to do with them. They would never think of adopting a child who needs them.
As a matter of fact boys take two,they're small. Oh don't say never! After all, they could work in IT's sweat shops!
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Post by yogamama007 on May 17, 2019 23:36:48 GMT
BTW- Is birth control education under attack also?
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Post by nashville11 on May 18, 2019 0:04:47 GMT
BTW- Is birth control education under attack also? Heaven forbid we teach anything other than abstinence! Ummmmm . . . maybe that's why Pence is afraid to be alone in a room with any woman other than his wife. He's afraid she might get pregnant by shaking hands, or maybe even by eye contact.
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