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Post by linda72 on Jul 8, 2019 10:55:45 GMT
A different location also asked some black gentlemen to leave their store about a year back, who were merely there to conduct business. Because of that incident, Starbucks had special training for all of their employees nationwide to address the problem and to prevent that from happening again. I guess the store in Tempe needs more training.
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Post by susan092907 on Jul 8, 2019 11:46:12 GMT
I almost always just have my one cup of coffee a day at home - black no sugar. If I "have" to get a cup out somewhere, including DD, Starbucks, or whatever, it's the same - black, no sugar, no anything else. Sometimes it's decaff, once in a while in the summer it's iced. I'd rather save my dairy for milk with cereal, or cheese or yogurt, and save my sugar for a great dessert once in a while. I tend to avoid Starbucks just because it's Starbucks.
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Post by zazzles on Jul 8, 2019 14:19:57 GMT
A different location also asked some black gentlemen to leave their store about a year back, who were merely there to conduct business. I hope you boycotted then too if you'd boycott for the police incident. That was also an unfortunate incident. What I want to know is why they don’t ask people who buy the cheapest cup of coffee and then sit for hours using their facilities as portable offices to leave. But I’m sure there’d be a backlash over that. I guess the store in Tempe needs more training. You can train employees until the cows come home, it doesn’t mean that you won’t have employees who are rebels, prejudiced, or just plain clueless ignore the training and travel their own path.
It all makes me wonder what the impact would be on businesses across America if the actions of a rogue employee in every business caused everybody to boycot that business. Think about this in terms of your own employment—someone you don’t even know could take some action that got recorded and took life on social media; if it caused a boycott of your employer’s business that was successful, how might that translate to your own employment—perhaps layoffs due to dwindling business. I guess this has made me think about the meaning of the phrase “measured response” which I’ve heard on TV programs such as Madam Secretary. In the first case, it was a measured response for Starbucks to close all locations and take a loss of income in order to carry out sensitivity training. And a measured response to the latest incident might be to fire the employee(s) who asked the police to leave (although I also think it would have been a measured response for the police to have refused to leave). It is a complex world and time we live in and there seems to never be a dull moment anymore.
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Post by DotRen on Jul 8, 2019 14:31:04 GMT
It is a complex world and time we live in and there seems to never be a dull moment anymore. I agree. When a single employee does something stupid, boycotting the entire company is a little overkill. Firing the employee, making sure the others know not to do it -usually sufficient (for me). As for asking the police to leave... really? I love police lol - I'd rather they be there than not! Shoot I'd be buying them coffee
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Post by ann1953 on Jul 8, 2019 14:46:09 GMT
Notta fan of Starbucks, too strong....DD too weak...and McDonalds...is that coffee? ? Best cup of coffee I had out was at our local Applebees, go figure. IMHO if there are a group of people in an establishment that you are not comfortable with..simply leave. I guess some folks aren't happy unless they are stirring up 'stuff'. I drink my coffee/tea black, no sugar. That way I save my points for vino
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Post by finreporter on Jul 8, 2019 17:34:54 GMT
We do know and hopefully all of us recognize that there is some issue with the police force as a whole and they all need additional training in a certain area. That said, I'd never ask anyone to leave my place of business unless they were being disruptive or trespassing.
Starbucks encourages people to set up shop and work or study or read there so I see no issue with people buying one coffee and nursing it all day. Starbucks whole atmosphere is that of local coffee shops who also encouraged same lounge about behavior. I like it.
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Post by DebDoesWW on Jul 9, 2019 14:34:40 GMT
Wow generalize much? As someone with family in law enforcement I'm not sure you could have been any more offensive.
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Post by finreporter on Jul 9, 2019 18:03:22 GMT
So you ignore the big picture though? There are several great ones out there on an individual basis. I'm talking the overall picture of what happens in this country on way too often a basis.
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Post by finreporter on Jul 9, 2019 18:08:58 GMT
And if I say that this country is guilty of systemic racism and oppression, would you be highly offended because you are part of this country? You're clearly not like that but that doesn't mean the big picture doesn't have some major flaws. I have read the stories of things people of color have been routinely asked of them by police. I have never experienced this but I can't say there's not an overall problem when an entire subset of the American population is saying something is happening to them that is cruel and unfair.
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Post by 3cooncats on Jul 10, 2019 2:54:40 GMT
I hope the “snowflake”that was uncomfortable with the law enforcement presence in the Tempe Starbucks will be sure to call the barista when they’re being robbed or need help. The problem isn’t with the police force as a whole but a few bad apples.
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Post by jamescat1 on Jul 10, 2019 3:16:33 GMT
I boycott Chick-Fil-A too though I did not tell that to a lady I met when I was in Tucson. She lives where Chick-Fil-A originated and is their weekly bingo caller of all things. She raved about their philanthropy etc. I just can't get past the hatred of LGBTQ people. Anyway I am so boring I get black coffee or tea at Starbucks but really prefer the quality of coffee and tea I have at home.
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Post by finreporter on Jul 10, 2019 3:35:07 GMT
I had never had coffee made from a home espresso machine until a friend made some for me a few months back. I loved it! I love it extra strong and dark tasting.
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Post by hallian on Jul 11, 2019 16:28:39 GMT
... As for asking the police to leave... really? I love police lol - I'd rather they be there than not! Shoot I'd be buying them coffee
This!
Also, you have to wonder why having the police in a building would make someone uncomfortable. What were they doing/thinking that they would be made uncomfortable by having the police around?
Does this mean that if I am uncomfortable by someone wearing a red shirt, that I can have them removed from Starbucks because I am uncomfortable around red shirts? It's so random.
ETA: I also boycott Chick-fil-a. For the same reasons others have mentioned. Plus, I only ate there once years ago and I didn't think it was that great.
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Post by hallian on Jul 11, 2019 16:36:52 GMT
As someone who lives in Arizona, I have to sadly admit that the Phoenix police have been accused of some horrible things here recently. Of course, on the tv news you only see one side of everything. The police side rarely gets broadcast. Tempe shares a border with Phoenix and there is a lot of overlap with residents. Tempe is also a huge college town (ASU). Not that that has anything to do with anything. I rarely frequent Starbucks - I prefer Dunkin - but I asked this same question about what to order at Starbucks just a few months ago. LOL That topic didn't create nearly as exciting a discussion.
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Post by finreporter on Jul 11, 2019 17:19:36 GMT
... As for asking the police to leave... really? I love police lol - I'd rather they be there than not! Shoot I'd be buying them coffee
This!
Also, you have to wonder why having the police in a building would make someone uncomfortable. What were they doing/thinking that they would be made uncomfortable by having the police around?
Does this mean that if I am uncomfortable by someone wearing a red shirt, that I can have them removed from Starbucks because I am uncomfortable around red shirts? It's so random.
ETA: I also boycott Chick-fil-a. For the same reasons others have mentioned. Plus, I only ate there once years ago and I didn't think it was that great.
The distrust of police is not random or haphazard. One doesn't have to have done something wrong and therefore are scared of getting arrested to feel uncomfortable. Wouldn't a guilty party slink out unnoticed in that case, or attempt to? So as not to get in trouble? I don't think asking them to leave was appropriate at all, same as I don't think it was right to ask the black gentlemen to leave from that other Starbucks location. I'm not about to get into it here but there are many sources of people who have experiences that you and I have never had. And it's an entire population of the United States with very similar experiences. Just because you and I have been fortunate not have those experiences does not mean they don't happen. And I guess I'll be done in this thread at this point because I'm sure we all see it differently.
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