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Post by sheryl on Oct 7, 2019 21:44:53 GMT
Fin, I believe you’re right. Thinking about it, I seem to remember 50 for Momentum ( but that’s all I remember about the plan), and 38 was accurate for Pointsplus, but we rounded to 40 a point, for ease of counting. Was Momentum the first points plan WW introduced? Man, that seems so long ago now.
Every few years, the formula keeps changing from emphasis on total fats, saturated fats, protein, sugar, fiber, etc. Bottom line is, they are all based on calories! Makes you wonder if it really is “latest science” or just playing with the numbers to introduce something new and “exciting.”
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Post by zazzles on Oct 7, 2019 21:46:42 GMT
It is also what finally made me quit meetings, when a leader told me this would absolutely not work despite the fact that I had used it successfully for several years. We should all have carried a copy of the patent with the PP formulas in it so that when we encountered a leader like that we could have whipped it out, showed the highlighted formulas, and ask them if they’d read it and understood it. Would have been worth the look on their faces.
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Post by zazzles on Oct 7, 2019 21:48:10 GMT
Was Momentum the first points plan WW introduced? No, I think Momentum may have been the LAST POINTS program. I rejoined in 1999 on what was either the first or second POINTS plan. I’m thinking it was Winning Ways but am not sure.
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Post by zazzles on Oct 7, 2019 21:53:06 GMT
Every few years, the formula keeps changing from emphasis on total fats, saturated fats, protein, sugar, fiber, etc. Bottom line is, they are all based on calories! Makes you wonder if it really is Never a doubt in my mind that the programs are based on the latest science. PointsPlus’s introduction corresponded with the USDA’s released guidelines for Americans which are updated every 5 years. In the 2015 guidelines, the USDA and WHO strongly urged limited saturated fats and limiting calories consumed from added sugars. Unfortunately, the USDA labeling requirements which were to have been released at the same time got sabotaged and now won’t be released until at least 2020/2021 depending on a manufacturer’s size and industry segment. The updated USDA guidelines will come out in 2020. Whether that will drive more WW changes remains to be seen.
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Post by sheryl on Oct 7, 2019 21:59:57 GMT
Itsrad, I hear you. Thanks to the old, official Weight Watchers message board, when the Pointsplus formula was cracked, and we figured we could easily figure out points in our head, then shared this in meetings, I remember the leaders panicking. God forbid we should all have a program where you could figure stuff in your head without relying on those little points calculators or website where you had to pay money.
In fact, I’m now devising a conspiracy theory where WW got together and would promise a raise to any WW staff mathematician who would develop a point calculation that could only be figured by buying the WW program, etc. ha ha! ,Kittylessofabetterme’s blog did crack the Smartpoints formulation, but it’s nowhere as simple as Momentum or Pointsplus is.
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Post by zazzles on Oct 7, 2019 22:18:15 GMT
In fact, I’m now devising a conspiracy theory where WW got together and would promise a raise to any WW staff mathematician who would develop a point calculation that could only be figured by buying the WW program, etc. ha ha! ,Kittylessofabetterme’s blog did crack the Smartpoints formulation, but it’s nowhere as simple as Momentum or Pointsplus is. Several of us interpreted the SP formula directly from the patent application. It isn’t that it was any more complicated than the prior formulas, but the fact that the points values can swing widely based on how many grams of saturaged fat, sugar and protein a food contains. And that is what makes a quick points determination in your head pretty much impossible (although I CAN do it, if I do my eyes cross and steam comes out my ears!).
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Post by itsrad on Oct 7, 2019 23:13:55 GMT
Math Be Hard.
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Post by amyrs on Oct 8, 2019 11:53:33 GMT
I think I will go back to simply filling. I lost all my weight on it. I love my lentil stew. And spend 1 point a day on broth.
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Post by hpeterson1951 on Oct 9, 2019 11:49:27 GMT
I think I started on Weight watchers 360 (similar to Points Plus_ Then went to PP and SP. Stopped at Free style.
I've been doing MFP calorie counting for abut a year now. My weight is up and down, but I find grocery shopping much easier.
And I was amazed at some of the calories of so called "free food". And I am definitely one who can seriously overeat on the free foods
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Post by chook on Oct 9, 2019 12:30:06 GMT
Just to clarify, Momentum was a POINTS plan. That original points plan had a bunch of permutations. I did 1-2-3 Success. There were tweaks to cap the fiber (because of the "fiber abuse", tweaks to the floating points, tweaks to tweak the tweaks.). I think 1,2,3 Success might have been the first Points plan. It was the first I joined in very late 90’s. Our version never factored in the fibre for the Points calculation, so I don’t think we even got a tweak here??? I think the next one here was then called 1,2,3 Beyond to mark to new millennium. I can’t remember what tweaks there were to it, except you couldn’t spend more than 14 Points on high sugar foods (cake, sweets etc.) a week and I ALWAYS struggled with that.
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Post by amyrs on Oct 9, 2019 15:21:03 GMT
I was going to do the new simply filling plan. But I will do Beyond the scale again.
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