|
Post by zazzles on Dec 1, 2017 23:21:43 GMT
Also the Greek yogurt I eat will still be 2 points. UK members are reportedly being told by WW that all nonfat Greek and regular yogurt are zero points regardless of what the tracker may say. It'll be interesting to see what we hear from the staff in our meetings on issues like that.
|
|
|
Post by louisstone on Dec 1, 2017 23:26:32 GMT
Also the Greek yogurt I eat will still be 2 points. UK members are reportedly being told by WW that all nonfat Greek and regular yogurt are zero points regardless of what the tracker may say. It'll be interesting to see what we hear from the staff in our meetings on issues like that. Why anyone would trust yogurt from a country in that bad a fiscal shape is beyond me anyway. I'll stick with my fruit on the bottom stuff.
|
|
|
Post by borntexan on Dec 1, 2017 23:32:46 GMT
louisstone,I eat the Dannon Light & Fit toasted coconut vanilla Greek yogurt and it still shows up as 2 points even with the new plan.I'm not giving it up for ff plain Greek yogurt.
|
|
|
Post by limefan on Dec 1, 2017 23:37:51 GMT
limefan ,I think you will enjoy the plan. It’s my favorite version of WW yet, and I’ve been a WW member for many years. Thanks for the positive comment about the new plan. My weigh in is tomorrow, so will need to wait until next week. But at least then I know I will go to the meeting. I have been kind of lax at going to meetings since Smart Points came out. Got tired of hearing how wonderful the program was when I was struggling with it. I have been a WW member for about 10 years. Maybe this plan will get me motivated again.
|
|
jeanie
Epic Member
HI :D
Posts: 661
|
Post by jeanie on Dec 1, 2017 23:52:59 GMT
Thinking out loud here. Bare with me.
I am seeing so many people posting on Connect about losing points and how they don't eat any of the new zero point foods, so this is horrible to them, and they are really upset. My thinking is: say you are a 30 SP day person, right? If you don't eat any of the new zero point foods and you just keep eating the same way you have been eating, then you will have a 30 point day. You won't get your blue dot. Umm, ok. Is the blue dot that important? I guess to some. Not to me. Is it upsetting that you'll only get 23 daily points, so eating to 30 will look like you are overeating? Are they not realizing that they are still working the plan, just as if the new zero point foods are not there? And that they are still eating the same food, so probably the same amount of calories, it will just look like they have blown it on the new plan, by eating 30 points vs 23?
I guess what I'm saying is, if you still eat the same things, just because WW says you only have 23, to compensate for the new additions to the zero point food list, and your tracker will show 30 instead of 23, why are you upset? Again....is it the blue dot? Is it because visually the app is showing you that you have overeaten, because you are only supposed to eat to 23, but have eaten to 30?
I can't be the only one that realizes: if I don't eat any of the foods that are going to zero, and my points are dropping to 23, that if I still eat 30 a day, I'm still doing the plan, it just looks like I'm overeating on the app?
|
|
|
Post by zazzles on Dec 2, 2017 0:12:18 GMT
Thinking out loud here. Bare with me. I am seeing so many people posting on Connect about losing points and how they don't eat any of the new zero point foods, so this is horrible to them, and they are really upset. My thinking is: say you are a 30 SP day person, right? If you don't eat any of the new zero point foods and you just keep eating the same way you have been eating, then you will have a 30 point day. You won't get your blue dot. Umm, ok. Is the blue dot that important? I guess to some. Not to me. Is it upsetting that you'll only get 23 daily points, so eating to 30 will look like you are overeating? Are they not realizing that they are still working the plan, just as if the new zero point foods are not there? And that they are still eating the same food, so probably the same amount of calories, it will just look like they have blown it on the new plan, by eating 30 points vs 23? I guess what I'm saying is, if you still eat the same things, just because WW says you only have 23, to compensate for the new additions to the zero point food list, and your tracker will show 30 instead of 23, why are you upset? Again....is it the blue dot? Is it because visually the app is showing you that you have overeaten, because you are only supposed to eat to 23, but have eaten to 30? I can't be the only one that realizes: if I don't eat any of the foods that are going to zero, and my points are dropping to 23, that if I still eat 30 a day, I'm still doing the plan, it just looks like I'm overeating on the app? This is the first program change in ages which has made realize just how many people seem to cede total control of their eating to their points balances. So while, in theory, continuing to eat the same way should produce the same results without regards to whether the member eats more or less than their points, for those who consider themselves to be without any self control or ability to judge fullness, just the foods they currently eat that become zero will cause them potentially to have more points to eat before they hit their ceiling. And that ***could*** make them eat more calories and affect their weight loss effort. Something makes me want to climb onto the roof and shout: "GET SOME DAMNED COMMON SENSE AND TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY." But I won't—because the neighbors have been waiting for decades to have me declared insane and get me carted away.
|
|
jeanie
Epic Member
HI :D
Posts: 661
|
Post by jeanie on Dec 2, 2017 0:15:51 GMT
zazzles, go ahead and shout from the roof tops, lol... getting declared insane has its perks and you may get carted away, but trust me, they will bring you back
|
|
Kitty
Transcendent Member
Posts: 1,447
|
Post by Kitty on Dec 2, 2017 0:43:37 GMT
jeanie, Yes you are right from a math standpoint. But, weight loss is not just math. Take me. Let's say I was eating exactly 30 points a day on the current program and decided to keep doing what I am doing. I get 28 weekly points. Let's say I don't get FitPoints. So, I eat 30 points and use up my 28 weekly points in 4 days. I am then in the hole for the rest of the week. I certainly feel bad about it. I feel I am not following the program (hint: I'm not!). And some people have a lot of issue with that. And, to a certain extent I understand that point of view. That is that: Essentially if WW are the experts you should follow the plan as written. If you don't then you are cheating and aren't really on WW. Now, personally - I don't believe in the WW police. I don't think that there is only one way to do things. So, it doesn't bother me to make some changes to make the plan work for me. (I never got the required dairy servings back in the day because milk didn't really agree with me, for example). And, I've been on WW a long time and have been at goal for over 2 years. So, I think I can fairly safely modify the program. That said - I do sort of feel that if I was paying to do WW (which I don't any more since I'm LT) that if I am just going to do my own thing I would have to wonder why I am doing WW (maybe for the meetings though). Also - bear in mind that one issue some people have is that let's say they were eating 30 points a day before plus X number of weekly points. Now, they get 23 points a day and X number of weekly points. There is no denying that they are getting 49 less points a week. That is indeed a lot of points to lose if you don't eat any of the new zero point foods and if you aren't willing to start eating them. I've actually loved the new program but then I do eat the zero point foods.
|
|
wildcat
Transcendent Member
Posts: 952
|
Post by wildcat on Dec 2, 2017 0:49:51 GMT
Why anyone would trust yogurt from a country in that bad a fiscal shape is beyond me anyway. I've been eating plain Icelandic yogurt lately. Iceland isn't in the best shape either but still better than Greece!
|
|
wildcat
Transcendent Member
Posts: 952
|
Post by wildcat on Dec 2, 2017 1:02:28 GMT
If you don't eat any of the new zero point foods and you just keep eating the same way you have been eating, then you will have a 30 point day. You won't get your blue dot. The problem is, I don't want to have to keep track how many points per day and per week I can go over, managing for fit points and carryover points, etc. And I'm not willing to start tracking in a bunch of different places or making a ton of adjustments - I know some people track calories and old points and new points and macros and on and on but I'm not going to do that. The reason I do WW is because I want to use their tools and their program and I'll bet a lot of the people on Connect are the same way. That said, I continue to think it's nuts to hate something that you haven't even tried.
|
|
|
Post by louisstone on Dec 2, 2017 1:30:19 GMT
I can name several things I hate without having to try them first. But, this is a family message board, so I'll pass on listing them.
|
|
|
Post by borntexan on Dec 2, 2017 1:35:36 GMT
On the current plan I can lose or maintain at 36 points.On the new one the most I'm allowed is 28 points.I currently only get 21 weeklies so I would have to depend on my fit points.I get way more of them than I do weeklies.
|
|
|
Post by newheavensearth2 on Dec 2, 2017 1:35:49 GMT
If you don't eat any of the new zero point foods and you just keep eating the same way you have been eating, then you will have a 30 point day. You won't get your blue dot. The problem is, I don't want to have to keep track how many points per day and per week I can go over, managing for fit points and carryover points, etc. And I'm not willing to start tracking in a bunch of different places or making a ton of adjustments - I know some people track calories and old points and new points and macros and on and on but I'm not going to do that. The reason I do WW is because I want to use their tools and their program and I'll bet a lot of the people on Connect are the same way. That said, I continue to think it's nuts to hate something that you haven't even tried. You make a good point. I've said numerous times who really wants to count everything forever and I got "you'll pry my tracker out of my cold dead hands". Now those same people are saying "trust the program". I guess they were tired of something. Honestly I'm not double tracking as often. The change in tracking and meal planning feels refreshing to me. But if I gain I will double track for a time. Weigh and measure and track on WW yes.
|
|
Kitty
Transcendent Member
Posts: 1,447
|
Post by Kitty on Dec 2, 2017 7:49:10 GMT
borntexan, As lifetime at goal, you are allowed however many points you want. They suggest you add X amount (was 6, now 5 I think) and see how it goes. If you gain on it you cut it down. If you lose on it you go up. You can also modify your weekly points. So, if you maintain on 36 with the existing program fine. But, if you lose on 28 with the new program then you can go in and change 28 to 30 or 32 or whatever. You can also keep your daily points at 28 if you want and up your weekly points. It is totally within the rules to change that. newheavensearth2, I like the new program quite a bit. But, I track everything. I dual track points and calories. And, I have literally no interest in changing that. I like tracking. I get a lot from it. I don't want to quit tracking any more than I want to give up my activity monitor. However, I don't think tracking calories is necessary to make the program work. I think that if people are reasonable in how they eat they can indeed trust the program.
|
|
irisinnia
Transcendent Member
233/211/160
Posts: 1,222
|
Post by irisinnia on Dec 2, 2017 16:05:29 GMT
zazzles , jeanie , I totally see where you both are coming from, but I think you both are so far along in your journey you're forgetting what it's like at the beginning. For people who are new to weight loss, you need a plan with rules because you're learning how to eat for the first time. I, personally, used to have pancakes for breakfast, burgers for lunch, and pizza for dinner, never thought to even look at a fruit or vegetable, and thought nothing of it. This is normal American food, some people eat like this every day. It's about learning portion control, and balance, which is very challenging for newbies. Yesterday, I was on a trip and we had to go out to eat for all three meals. On PP I was only one point over, on SP I was two points over, on this new plan I was 10 points over. I also used to be a math teacher, so let me talk about math, and weight loss: when you feel like a failure, you need small successes to be successful. Staying in your daily points is the way that people feel successful, and that's what makes them stick to the plan, and over time learn healthy eating.
|
|