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Post by NatureLover on Mar 1, 2019 16:17:21 GMT
Laura M I so agree with you about the cheese!
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Post by NatureLover on Mar 1, 2019 16:30:44 GMT
jeanie , that’s interesting. I’m skeptical that WW would offer the ability to go back to older programs even though many of us would like that. For one thing it would be very difficult for staff to support in terms of questions/problems/solutions. Your description makes me wonder if they could be working on a new program that uses flexible formulas, food lists, etc., to tailor the food part of the program to individuals. Things like determining whether a member wants to control carbs, fat, sodium, etc., prefers processed foods, natural foods, lots of carbs, low carbs and more fat, etc. Of course such a major program shift and the technological implementation of such a program could very well be beyond their IT department’s capabilities. Whatever they do it will be interesting to see. If they did offer this - I'd go flying back to PointsPlus. Or the original Core.
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Post by neen on Mar 1, 2019 19:08:33 GMT
I received a WW survey today, but it was about traveling! I did get a fill in the blank and put how they need to ditch freestyle and go back to the basics of weight loss! I don't think I would ever pay WW to travel somewhere! LOL
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Post by cj59 on Mar 1, 2019 19:09:51 GMT
I would rejoin if they offered the original points plan again. I could really use the accountability of going to a meeting right now. I'd even consider moving out of the Stone Age and get a smart phone if I needed it for the plan
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Post by bbbearsmom on Mar 2, 2019 0:45:20 GMT
I'd even consider moving out of the Stone Age and get a smart phone if I needed it for the plan To me they made a mistake when they made so much smart phone dependent. I understand why they did it but it is another case of them abandoning customers.
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Post by Kitty on Mar 2, 2019 4:24:44 GMT
I had to think about it. Would I go back if they offered older plans? I have to think of this in two ways. Right now I am less than 10 pounds over free LT but get free eTools because I have a lot of vouchers from before when I was at goal. So, one question is whether I would $50 a month roughly to be able to go to meetings every week and the other question is whether I would go to meetings and try to stay within my WW points (whatever incarnation) if I was back at free LT. FWIW, I tend to agree with zazzles, in that I think they are less likely to offer old plans as offer more of a choice of newer plans (some of which might be similar to older plans). For me the real questions then are(1) could any plan they offer be more preferable to me than straight calorie counting and (2) will the meetings ever be worth at tending and (3) while I am not at goal does WW offer enough other value that I would pay for it if they changed (1) or (2). Right now I am not paying as the answers to those questions now is no, no, no. I might occasionally pay for a single meeting. Plan - Even when I was on PP (probably my best overall program) I did record calories. The thing is that if I followed PP strictly (even eating weekly points) I would always be within calories. If I stayed within my preferred calories, I would be OK with PP. Which sort of means that PP didn't really give added value except to the extent it gave more guidance on what to eat (and the GHG of course). Honestly, at this point, I think I know what is healthy to eat and it is hard for me to imagine a points plan that I would prefer to calorie counting. That said -- I think that the plan is the least valuable thing about WW so that doesn't bother me. Meetings - I wonder to what extent I have changed v. WW meetings changing. I used to feel I didn't learn much new at the meetings but it kept my head in the right place. Now -- I just get annoyed at meetings. I think this is an area that could be improved and if the meetings were valuable to me again then I would be willing to pay even now. I am not optimistic this will happen.... Other value -- I have talked about the Half Size Me community before. I pay for that (it is $24.95 a month) and I feel like I get a lot of value from it. I know a lot about weight loss but through that group I really have learned some new things and have learned how to better analyze and solve weight loss problems. That money gives me a community of people (forums and FB and webinars), but also courses and videos and challenges, etc. that teach skills that are actually helpful. WW could be doing that sort of thing. They could be providing more online value to members. Not just connect. They could have online courses or groups that work on habit change or work on how to stop emotional eating or work on how to approach weight loss and how to deal with setbacks, etc. There is so much that could be done. I didn't realize how anemic WW was on this until I was at a place that does provide that in a really concrete way. It blows my mind that WW is such a big company and is blown out of the water by a website that was simply started by someone by one person who lost a lot of weight. I have learned from that what types of things WW could be doing that it doesn't even attempt to do. Now that I have experienced that it is hard for me to imagine paying for something that gives me less. (No, HSM doesn't provide a diet plan -- people do what they want -- but I am good with calorie counting so that isn't an issue for me). If WW did come up with some plan options I would look at them I guess and see if they provided any value above calorie counting but I am doubtful...
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Post by irisinnia on Mar 2, 2019 4:52:41 GMT
I would definitely go back to WW if they brought the old plans back (PointsPlus forever!) and I think it would be easy to manage since the topics are always about things like: protein, activity, The Great Plate, portion control, your why, etc. The meetings are a wonderful place of support and keeping your mindset strong, and therefore, worth the money to me.
They won't do it, of course, so instead I'll do it without the meetings on an app for 1/12 the cost. That and heavily rely on the support of all you lovely people!
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Post by christina73 on Mar 2, 2019 13:19:37 GMT
Yes, this exactly!!!
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Post by borntexan on Mar 2, 2019 15:01:10 GMT
I really can't see me going back to WW even for older plans unless they were to have a studio in my town.It's a 40 mile round trip to the closest one and although I wouldn't have to pay I really never got a lot out of that studio.Calorie counting and tracking SP on ITB is so much cheaper especially since I got in there when it was only $12/year and it doesn't keep going up in price.
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Post by Jennifer on Mar 2, 2019 15:48:28 GMT
How about the choice of 3 plans. Tiers if you will
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Your choice based on your dietary needs and what fits best into your world.
(As you can see I have NO idea what those plans would be lol but nice to have the option)
Like someone mentioned earlier, expand the assessment and have the it suggest the best fit for you.
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Post by borntexan on Mar 2, 2019 15:56:33 GMT
I doubt WW could handle 2 plans or tiers let alone 3 but it does sound like a good plan.
I don't see paying WW again since I don't have a close enough meeting and I would have to continue online only therefore never getting free e-tools.
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Post by finreporter on Mar 2, 2019 16:03:27 GMT
I'd even consider moving out of the Stone Age and get a smart phone if I needed it for the plan To me they made a mistake when they made so much smart phone dependent. I understand why they did it but it is another case of them abandoning customers. But again a strategic decision to abandon the few for the many. I fault WW for a lot of strange decision making but not this.
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Post by squid on Mar 2, 2019 16:30:42 GMT
I received a WW survey today, but it was about traveling! I did get a fill in the blank and put how they need to ditch freestyle and go back to the basics of weight loss! I don't think I would ever pay WW to travel somewhere! LOL Do you think it had something to do with offering more WW cruises? I'm a cruiser, and have the menus from the most recent WW cruises, and would be interested if they're offered again. Roz
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Post by fullmahina on Mar 2, 2019 20:28:08 GMT
But again a strategic decision to abandon the few for the many. I fault WW for a lot of strange decision making but not this. I can certainly see your point but I would think keeping a few niceties for those who have been loyal for decades wouldn't have broken the bank. They could be available by choice, as the paper trackers, new-member guides, etc, had been in the recent past. When FreeStyle rolled out I had to ask for a points booklet. Big deal, not. "Abandoning the few for the many" would be appropriate for an apocalypse but jeez, this is a weight loss program. I don't think having a huge number of once-loyal patrons running around sharing their now-crappy opinions of Weight Watchers aka WW can be a good thing for the business. And trust me, we are talking. I was at the Y the other day and the subject of weight loss was brought up. Of course, the majority in the group had experience with Weight Watchers and, to a one, they all said they have given up on it. They don't like the new program, hate the app, the meetings have changed and they get nothing from them anymore, etc. "The few" have no problem sharing their opinions with anyone that will listen. Word-of-mouth really does matter in the business world, especially if it is shared on social media (shocker: old farts participate in social media venues too).
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Post by zazzles on Mar 2, 2019 21:31:40 GMT
But again a strategic decision to abandon the few for the many. I fault WW for a lot of strange decision making but not this. Hmmm. Seems like it was more than a few whom they abandoned given their quarterly and year-end results. The old members who didn’t return combined with the old and new members who fled after the changes started apparently were significant. The phrase: “Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face.” comes to mind. I never really understood what it meant, but this seems like a good example of it. How about the choice of 3 plans. The problem I see with that, even if it worked, is that they’d be in the same boat a year later. At least if they intend to have and support long-term members. Experienced WW members expect a plan change every December. So if they come up with a choice of 3 plans, then they need to change 3 plans every December in order to entice old members to return in January. Based on a lot of the sentiment expressed here, including mike, I’m thinking that this particular set of changes to the company and program have done irrepairable damage to relations with many long-term customers who may never forgive WW and come back no matter what. Add to that the number of members who have switched to calorie counting, are happy with their results, and who won’t come back and this is going to be an uphill battle for WW to grow their numbers.
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