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Post by diva49 on Apr 24, 2019 12:06:07 GMT
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Post by zazzles on Apr 24, 2019 13:55:58 GMT
WW actually does address Keto eating: Interesting. |
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Post by Tammypp2 on Apr 24, 2019 14:05:02 GMT
Itrackbites abruptly changed the name on all of their programs. I wonder if this has anything to do with ww? Would make sense if they were bringing back plus smart or classic points they wouldnt want a competitor to have such similar names. Probably a long time coming. I often wondered if ww would try to do anything about it.
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Post by NatureLover on Apr 24, 2019 14:45:50 GMT
Interesting. I'm interested.
Not interested in Keto though. I was interested until I read about Keto Crotch.
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Post by zazzles on Apr 24, 2019 15:14:42 GMT
Itrackbites abruptly changed the name on all of their programs. I wonder if this has anything to do with ww? Would make sense if they were bringing back plus smart or classic points they wouldnt want a competitor to have such similar names. Probably a long time coming. I often wondered if ww would try to do anything about it. I think the only enforcement that WW could bring regarding names would be if they used the actual names that WW has trademarked. They are much more at risk for patent infringement because the formulas for calculating points under all the programs are patented and proprietary. If WW does decide to pursue making all older programs available, it won’t surprise me if they bring legal action against all of the makers of apps that use their patented technologies. Otherwise, why would people pay for $20/$45 memberships when they could use any of the available apps for free or a low annual fee. |
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Post by Jennifer on Apr 24, 2019 17:16:34 GMT
If WW does decide to pursue making all older programs available, it won’t surprise me if they bring legal action against all of the makers of apps that use their patented technologies. Otherwise, why would people pay for $20/$45 memberships when they could use any of the available apps for free or a low annual fee. I have always wondered how they can get away with that .. |
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Post by cyndee on Apr 24, 2019 17:43:04 GMT
I do like the idea of a personalized plan for the sake of strong preferences or health issues. I have done a semi-low carb diet in the past and lost 40 lbs (most I ever lost), but it's primary purpose (prescribed by a dietitian) was to improve blood work. It succeeded beautifully. However, I sometimes struggled with even semi-low carb. I can't imagine going very low carb unless I was almost on the verge of death. I know some people don't mind. As for my "ideal" diet, in terms of food preferences, the Core Plan was both my favorite and my husband's, but issues in recent years make it hard for me to even eat "Core". When it wasn't that hard, I lost 20 lbs on it.
Though simple, I like how on MyFitnessPal you can shift emphasis on whether you give yourself a few more daily carbs or fat grams. It still keeps you limited enough to lose weight and even at the highest carb (or fat) allowance possible, it's still not excessive.
The problem I saw for myself with past WW "Points" plans was that you could have veggies and some fruit, but then waste your daily points on either crap or foods leaning too far in either the carb or fat directions. That's not good eating. A balance within healthy guidelines is good eating.
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Post by jeanie on Apr 24, 2019 22:10:43 GMT
Itrackbites abruptly changed the name on all of their programs. I wonder if this has anything to do with ww? Would make sense if they were bringing back plus smart or classic points they wouldnt want a competitor to have such similar names. Probably a long time coming. I often wondered if ww would try to do anything about it. I think the only enforcement that WW could bring regarding names would be if they used the actual names that WW has trademarked. They are much more at risk for patent infringement because the formulas for calculating points under all the programs are patented and proprietary. If WW does decide to pursue making all older programs available, it won’t surprise me if they bring legal action against all of the makers of apps that use their patented technologies. Otherwise, why would people pay for $20/$45 memberships when they could use any of the available apps for free or a low annual fee. Mike you know about all this jargon, right? Would this cover them from legal action? Just curious. Was reading through their agreement.   |
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Post by jeanie on Apr 24, 2019 22:13:50 GMT
Oops one more lol  |
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Post by zazzles on Apr 25, 2019 0:14:45 GMT
jeanie, I think their license and disclaimers cover their OWN trademarks. And, as I said, they don’t seem to infringe WW’s trademarks anyway. It is WW’s patents that they violate. WW long ago patented systems that take nutritional values, including calories, as input, run them through a formula, and come out the other end with a numeric value (POINTS, PointsPlus Values, SmartPoints Values). There is only one way to achieve a number that equals that which WW’s trackers and calculator output, and that is by using their formula or some variation of their formula. An example of this is the WW page on Wikipedia. At one point in time it contained printed formulas for calculating POINTS and PointsPlus values. In fact, that may be where the iTrackBites and other app developers got the information they used. Although the formulas that were published on Wikipedia were different from those in WW’s patents, the end result was the same. WW served Wikipedia with a “takedown” notice under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act and Wikipedia modified the article to remove the formulas. If WW so chose, they could serve Apple and Sony with DCMA notices regarding iTrackBites and other appls and those companies would have no choice under the law but to remove the apps from their app stores. I’m sure that WW has their reasons for not going after these apps—at least to date.
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Post by chook on Apr 25, 2019 3:47:26 GMT
Don’t patents expire after a certain time or does WW take out long-standing exclusivity?
I know rival drug companies use this loophole of expired patents as does a certain spectacle manufacturer here, offering huge discounts on multi focal glasses because they are able to access patents that are over 10 years old (they’re crappy by todays’s standard btw but a fraction of the usual asking price for multifocals).
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Post by jeanie on Apr 25, 2019 10:46:02 GMT
Don’t patents expire after a certain time or does WW take out long-standing exclusivity? I know rival drug companies use this loophole of expired patents as does a certain spectacle manufacturer here, offering huge discounts on multi focal glasses because they are able to access patents that are over 10 years old (they’re crappy by todays’s standard btw but a fraction of the usual asking price for multifocals). I have no idea, but i found this on their website: www.weightwatchers.com/us/virtual-patent |
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Post by DebDoesWW on Apr 25, 2019 12:27:00 GMT
With as anal as WW is with their hawk-like legal team *waves hi to my good buddy what's-her-name* they HAVE to own ITrackBites, there is no other explanation on how it has continued all these years and frankly it would be a brilliant move on their part. They can keep up with the spiel about "latest science blah blah" on the WW site and continue to make money off the older programs with ITB.
The ONE thing that makes me question that is we all know the WW tech team sucks and ITB has SIX different programs running concurrently. I just can't believe WW could pull that off. They can't even get the search function working right with ONE. 🤣
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Post by zazzles on Apr 25, 2019 13:41:38 GMT
Don’t patents expire after a certain time or does WW take out long-standing exclusivity? I’m not very familiar with patent longevity, but I think the life of a patent depends on the type of patent. A period of 20 or 25 years seems to ring a bell for me. And I think patent expiration may have been one reason that WW is constantly changing the program—new program, new formulas, new patents, new expiration date. Hoovers.com (Dun & Bradstreet) lists the ultimate parent as Momentum Labs Holdings LLC; WW wouldn’t have had enough foresight to have snapped up the app or company before it took flight. |
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Post by jeanie on Apr 25, 2019 15:10:36 GMT
Momentum Labs Holdings LLC filed as a Foreign in the State of California and is no longer active. This corporate entity was filed approximately five years ago on Monday, December 22, 2014 as recorded in documents filed with California Secretary of State. It is important to note that this is a foreign filing. A foreign filing is when an existing corporate entity files in a state other than the one they originally filed in. This does not necessarily mean that they are from outside the United States.
Interesting. It went on to lost the foreign state as Delaware 🤔
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