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Post by zazzles on Nov 10, 2019 20:20:25 GMT
According to my leader this morning, and page 53 of the My ww book, you should give the plan 2 weeks before making changes. Yes. But WW has always recommended giving a plan a couple of weeks. No matter what plan or option, members who recommit when a new plan arrives tend to lose weight in the first couple of weeks. My interest in whether switching can be done daily harkens back to Simply Filling wherein you could switch daily between counting and not counting. Doing so could be even more useful with the three plan options. Why? Take me as an example; I almost always eat lunch in a restaurant on Fridays when I volunteer with friends and we then go to lunch; I seldom eat out the rest of the weekβs meals. So it would be highly feasible for me to follow Purple six days and switch to Green on Fridays. Zazzles, was there a weekly card in addition to the two new books? I did not receive the recipe you mentioned. Also our location did not have the new cookbook have already put the shout out to people who find it let me know so I can pick one up. Yes, it was the typical weekly card handed out with the weekβs topic on one side and the recipe on the other side.
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Post by peace123 on Nov 10, 2019 20:20:58 GMT
Okay now I am really lost. Did anyone else see that video or post? The FS lowest number is 23, so not sure what number you mean Peace. This is the video I saw youtu.be/sx5Nl_tWPlkaround 2 minutes it starts talking about the calculation. In looking at that video again it looks like she added a correction in the write up that it should be 30% not the 23% she mentioned in the video. This makes more sense as 23 was the lowest points for FS and 23 times .30 rounds to 16. Sorry for any confusion.
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Post by zazzles on Nov 10, 2019 20:21:22 GMT
DebDoesWW ,Dumpy to Diva first thought the purple plan would be 23% of your daily points.She posted on FB this morning it is 30% of your dailies.So if you get 23 FS points you would subtract 30% from that number for the purple plan.This was for Itrackbites only though. Or just wait until tomorrow when the official trackers will tell us what the points are!
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Post by DebDoesWW on Nov 10, 2019 20:40:18 GMT
No problem Peace!
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Post by fullmahina on Nov 10, 2019 20:41:44 GMT
What is the essential difference between the plans besides the number of points? Reading these posts it seems like WW giveth and WW taketh away.
Is weighing and measuring a part of any of the plans? Any relative correlation between calories and points?
I see things online like "yes I get fewer points but now I am not feeling punished for having a bagel/cookie/donut/etc." Okay...but for that to have happened doesn't the point value of a food have to be different?
Maybe I am just so skeptical of any diet program that WW declares is "its most groundbreaking program ever" (Mindy's words in her email link, not mine) when every other program that has been introduced over the years has shouted the exact same declaration.
I'm going in to my usual meeting on Thursday and maybe I can figure it out on my own but right now it sounds like a heckuva lot of ado about...what exactly?
ETA: Alright I guess it is nice that members now have choices. Seems like a little heavy on the smoke and mirrors for my taste but if it helps anyone be successful then it's a good thing.
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Post by DebDoesWW on Nov 10, 2019 21:00:58 GMT
fullmahina for the people that weren't real fond of the FS list this is really huge news. Unless you ate and enjoyed chicken, eggs and fish you usually went over your daily points. (Think back to Beyond the Scale at 30 points.) As I have said previously this is all based on the same SP calculations (that they have been using since 2016) BUT the difference is in the dailies. Do you remember the old Core/ Simply Filling lists? Those are the people getting "fewer" points (16 compared to 23) but their list has a lot more foods on it potatoes, whole wheat pasta, etcetera. (Before you guys even start with "but but but" I KNOW the lists are different but this is based off of SF the Leader even confirmed it today, BTS, FS, and SF they just tweaked it to make it more enticing so more people would give it a try.) It isn't the food values that are different but there are now dailies that make it livable. Anyway there are still tons of people that loved the old SF program and missed it. (Just take a look at our SF board here.) They just brought back favorites to get Back the members that fled in droves when FS came out. * Also the only zero point foods on the green plan are F&V (non-starchy) and yes everything is weighed and measured that isn't on any given list of whatever plan you are doing. ** Another thing is for the BTS fans, it will be nice not to be "going in the red" on a weekly basis at 30 SPs.
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Post by borntexan on Nov 10, 2019 21:17:50 GMT
DebDoesWW On the old BTS SP plan we were given 6 maintenance points.On FS it is only 5.I wonder if BTS will go back to the original 6 or if it will be 5 also.I normally eat 2 Greek yogurts a day and if I end up doing BTS since even nf plain Greek will be 2 points I will probably make one of them a Dannon L&F.
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Post by DebDoesWW on Nov 10, 2019 21:19:29 GMT
Same rollovers. Same calculations to determine daily points. Same food calculations. Same FitPoints. Only thing that has changed is which plan you choose all of the above ^ is the same as it has been on FS. *Amending to add our in-house detective borntexan has checked maintenance points and they are as follows 6 π 5 π 4 π so they really did just bring back the old plans. ** Second update to remove the part about the weeklies thanks to zazzles new info. Two leaders doing the meeting and they still didn't get it right π€£
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Post by borntexan on Nov 10, 2019 21:21:03 GMT
They said nothing else has changed Becky so the maintenance points are staying at 5. Thanks. I'm still thinking about going to the Taylor studio Thursday to get the materials.
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Post by DebDoesWW on Nov 10, 2019 21:24:33 GMT
It is worth the trip Becky and definitely would be worth a monthly trip for free eTools!! π
Again I just want to say this is the nicest booklet I have ever seen with a new rollout.
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Post by Kitty on Nov 10, 2019 21:58:50 GMT
fullmahina, Some foods do have different points than they did under Freestyle. But, how you calculate points (the actual formula) is still SmartPoints. What has changed is which foods are zero points. So, for lunch today I had a frozen meal that would be 4 SP just going by Nutrition. But, under FS it was 2 SP. It was mostly chicken, veggies and potatoes. I can't see Green yet but I would bet that on green it will end up being 3 SP and on purple it will probable be 1 SP (since potatoes are now 0 points). What I didn't like about SP was I felt the formula over demonized sugar particularly natural sugar. That is still an issue. But, with green you do get the 30 SP a day which worked for me reasonably well. I personally don't feel purple is just a tweak to SF. Maybe people who were happy with SF think that. But for someone who truly hated SF (for me -- not other people), purple is not just a tweak. It is solving lots of the problems with SF. Now - I suspect in the long run I may end up on green but purple is at least possible for me in a way SF never was. Anyway if you hate the SP calculation none of these programs fix that. If the problem was the 0 point foods and daily point reduction on FS then this may work. I still will primarily focus on calorie counting. But, I do think I have gone overboard on snacks lately and want to do one of these plans for awhile to get my eating recentered more on healthier foods. borntexan, Back in the day I was taught by WW that the maintenance points you are given (it was exchanges back then, but same concept) are simply an estimate of what will keep you at maintenance level. You should adjust them up or down until you get to a level where you maintain. WW lets people on maintenance vary their daily points and their weekly points (up to the maximum of 42). So for me if I set myself on maintenance it gives me 28 Daily points as a default. But beside it the language is "Default is 28. Recommended range based on your program preference and settings is 23 - 71." So, I can set it wherever I want to in that range in order to maintain. Same thing with weekly points. I can set them between 14 and 42. zazzles, - Doing purple on 6 days and green on one day would I think work so long as it didn't cause your overall calories eaten for the week to go above where you want them to be. That is actually a good idea, though. I might try it.
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Post by zazzles on Nov 10, 2019 22:11:11 GMT
fullmahina, Green and Blue are really unchanged. If they werenβt comfortable before they wonβt be comfortable now. Purple is different. With, for example, chicken/turkey breast, fish, FF cottage cheese, whole grain pasta, sweet or white potatoes, brown rice, and other foods on the zero-points listβplus an allowance of daily pointsβI can see a path for planning meals that use zero-points ingredients enhanced with a few points-containing ingredients but then still being able to fit in an indulgence (might be a real bagel, a couple of cookies, a SMALL sugar-containing dessert, etc.). I tried Simply Filling three times before I was able to have success with it. That had to do with not initially understanding portion controlβdonβt eat half of a recipe that says it serves four or six people, for example. But it still felt as restricted as a straight jacket because anything that wasnβt on the SF list came out of the precious and limited weekly allowance. The fact that all plans allow up to 4 daily points to be carried over and all plans have dailies and weeklies seems like good, basic nutritional meals can be planned while allowing from some favorite and/or indulgent foods. I also noticed a lot more emphasis on controlling intake. There were several new posters, one of which was about estimating portions. And Iβve noticed the web site has been having links to more basic articles discussing things like whether milk is worth spending points on, what role bread can/should play on the program, etc. That makes it seem to me like things are getting back to basics.
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Post by zazzles on Nov 10, 2019 22:15:11 GMT
zazzles, - Doing purple on 6 days and green on one day would I think work so long as it didn't cause your overall calories eaten for the week to go above where you want them to be. That is actually a good idea, though. I might try it. I made a radical decision in preparation for the rollout: if Iβm tracking using the WW tracker, then Iβm not tracking the macronutrients. I AM tracking net carbs and calories, but by default I have the calories hidden. I am very little risk of ever undereating 1,200 calories; but I seem to be able to construct Blue menus that keep my minimum and maximum calories to a reasonable number and to be satisfied and not feel hungry. Based on my own scale, as of this morning I have dropped 2# since Monday; that may show a variation tomorrow but I should have a loss for the week.
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Post by fullmahina on Nov 10, 2019 22:17:29 GMT
But, I do think I have gone overboard on snacks lately and want to do one of these plans for awhile to get my eating recentered more on healthier foods. What I am doing now is more of a mindful eating program more than anything else. Awareness and honesty. I am using the WW app to track and I'm roughly sticking to the tenets of Freestyle (fewer carbs, sugars, and fats) but if I want something that goes against that I have it and go on. I do my best to not put particular foods in "good" and "bad" categories, in the terms of absolute black and white, but of course I recognize that some foods are better for you nutritionally and in the quest for weight loss. I totally accept that there is no way I can lose weight without weighing and measuring foods...it is simply not going to happen in my world.
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Post by Kitty on Nov 10, 2019 22:40:38 GMT
zazzles , I was interested to see in the program book they have the portion estimator where you estimate by thumb or palm, etc. I do think they are a bit disingenuous in the explanation. Or a bit of eating your cake and having it too. They say: Well -- that's all well and good. But the issue is that you don't have to track zero point foods so they are implicitly saying that this portion estimating on really applies to pointed foods. Now the book does have an FAQ type section that asks if you can eat as many Zero Point foods as you want. They say they don't need to be measured or tracked but that doesn't mean they are all you can eat. They point out that you wouldn't feel good if you ate a dozen eggs. They do point out that "eating any food, even ZeroPoint foods, to extremes could make you gain weight." The examples they give are ridiculous. No one eats a dozen eggs. But (if on purple) I could fairly easy eat, say, a cup of brown rice and then eat some higher calorie fruit and then eat a truly large baked potato and some corn along with a large serving of salmon. All 0 point foods but some of those can easily be over eaten. No, I won't eat 3 baked potatoes. It is the combination. All of which is why I do agree with fullmahina, that I still need to weigh and measure (and keep track of calories).
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