wildcat
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Post by wildcat on Aug 2, 2017 12:58:18 GMT
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Post by ksbruns on Aug 2, 2017 13:07:11 GMT
Thanks, wildcat , (although the story stopped pretty suddenly for me, I'll have to see if I can find it on the site....) I think it is quite the conundrum....I will always go to WW's for *the scale* and yet, it is the BTS ideas that helped me get and stay at goal. I see so many people taking to heart the *it's a lifetime, so I won't worry about today* kind of thinking, and I'm not sure what the answer is to accepting it takes effort and commitment to lose weight. But no question that WW's is doing better, so that's good, and despite the feelings around here about it, Connect is a success. I'm glad WW's knew it had to change and will see what the future brings. Okay, found the rest of the article....I thought it was really good. I loved Oprah's quote, "The only way you win is to keep looking forward for yourself." It's nice feeling that I don't have to have answers for everyone else, just me.
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pbnj
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Post by pbnj on Aug 2, 2017 13:22:36 GMT
I read the whole article ---but will need to read it again... it is long and involved, but interesting. Here are a few take-aways I got from it.
... Nidetch knew that it wasn’t just the food that was the problem; it was the problem that was the problem. What fat people needed was one another. They needed a space in which they could talk openly about the physical struggles and daily humiliations of walking around in a fat body, and just how much that sucked.
The (new WW) company would move away from giving its members goal weights. It expanded its cognitive-behavioral strategies, which taught members to challenge unhelpful thinking and to respond to their emotions with reason, as opposed to with food or despair. It developed workshops that used meditation and qigong and didn’t once mention food or weight. It updated its apps and introduced a social-media program, Connect.
Weight Watchers is designed to be successful only if you can stay on Weight Watchers forever.
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Post by alias123 on Aug 2, 2017 13:43:31 GMT
Thanks for sharing this. The article and the comments were very interesting.
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Post by 100gone on Aug 2, 2017 13:50:06 GMT
I only skimmed it so far but this stood out:
"The company would move away from giving its members goal weights. It expanded its cognitive-behavioral strategies, which taught members to challenge unhelpful thinking and to respond to their emotions with reason, as opposed to with food or despair. It developed workshops that used meditation and qigong and didn’t once mention food or weight. "
I remember this from meetings but as on online member, there's none of this. Using the app, I track my food and use Connect. I don't see any strategies or tools with the online program.
I'll go back and read it more carefully - certainly lots to think about!
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wildcat
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Post by wildcat on Aug 2, 2017 14:14:24 GMT
Although the serious topics abound, I really chuckled at her descriptions of the meetings. Especially the woman who warned her to never say "I only lost X" because it makes people mad. Sounds familiar!
It addresses a lot of the issues you see discussed around the fat acceptance movement, which I often have a real problem with. The not hating yourself for being fat is great, obviously, but I just can't get behind the idea of never trying to get to a healthier weight. Oprah sort of speaks for me in the article when she says:
“So all of the people who are saying, ‘Oh, I need to accept myself as I am’ — I can’t accept myself if I’m over 200 pounds, because it’s too much work on my heart. It causes high blood pressure for me. It puts me at risk for diabetes, because I have diabetes in my family.’’
I always notice that a lot of fat acceptance proponents are relatively young (Lindy West comes to mind). They're fat and healthy now so it's easier to be OK with being fat. Will it be the same when they're 50?
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Post by 100gone on Aug 2, 2017 14:34:04 GMT
wildcat, I've often thought the same thing. I follow a lot of body positive people on Instagram and they're all in their 20s and 30s. So it's great that they're doing yoga, traveling, hiking, etc. but I wonder how they'll feel when they're older. Speaking from experience here...
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Post by ksbruns on Aug 2, 2017 14:47:47 GMT
Nice post; wildcat . It really is the hamster wheel because I wasn't successful until I quit being so hard on myself, "How's that been working for you?", I heard Louise Hay say to someone) but there is a very fine line between a lot of self-love and excuse making. I have decided that self-love is taking care of myself. And yeah, I considered myself a *healthy obese person* until I developed an obesity-related cancer. As I wailed to the doctor, "I've lost 20 pounds!", he replied (kindly), "I think you waited too long."
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Post by pamthomas46 on Aug 2, 2017 16:13:20 GMT
Thanks for sharing. I want to read the article carefully.
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Post by lani on Aug 2, 2017 17:41:03 GMT
This also got posted on the GDT and is generating discussion.
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Post by NatureLover on Aug 2, 2017 17:50:14 GMT
The qigong and meditation groups are in certain pilots only. They may take a L-O-N-G .... T-I-M-E to come to a center/store/meeting near you. We are doing one minute mini meditations some times and calling it a brain break or a relaxation so that conservatives don't march out in a huff.
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Post by jamescat1 on Aug 2, 2017 18:15:24 GMT
pbnj . That's it. It works if you stay on it forever. I got off the plan 25 days ago and am now 5 lbs from goal. After goal and a bit less I will see how to maintain. I am not eating sugar or grains. I am eating out frequently. The tough one is giving up wine but I did that when I made LT.
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Post by bbbearsmom on Aug 2, 2017 19:30:00 GMT
Well I read the long... article. I remember being on the old boards and I do think it was January 2011 that we noticed we weren't overwhelmed by newbies. Glad WW is turning around since I will be doing it for life. My online WW buddies are the best because it is hard to find the same understanding out in the world. I got a little tired of listening to the author's weight sage but then realized not everyone can figure things out like I think I have. Glad my weight journey wasn't as complicated.
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Post by linda72 on Aug 2, 2017 21:00:43 GMT
The (new WW) company would move away from giving its members goal weights. I found this interesting since making your goal weight still seems important, esp. if you want to be a LT member. Someone on the GDT board said naming your goal isn't mentioned when you first join now. I joined in 2011 and nothing was said then about my goal until I was 5# away of the top of the range for my height. I thought the article was interesting but wonder how this "Beyond the Scale" will be evaluated in 5 years. People may feel more accepting of their obesity but I also wonder about accepting the hard truth that less weight can mean better health.
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Post by luanne on Aug 2, 2017 22:55:23 GMT
The (new WW) company would move away from giving its members goal weights. I found this interesting since making your goal weight still seems important, esp. if you want to be a LT member. Someone on the GDT board said naming your goal isn't mentioned when you first join now. I joined in 2011 and nothing was said then about my goal until I was 5# away of the top of the range for my height. I thought the article was interesting but wonder how this "Beyond the Scale" will be evaluated in 5 years. People may feel more accepting of their obesity but I also wonder about accepting the hard truth that less weight can mean better health. During the time I worked for WWers we never asked a new member what their goal weight would be. The leader would initiate a discussion about goal weight when the member reached their 10% goal, or sooner if the member brought it up. I think I worked for WWers from 2006 to 2012.
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