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Post by nashville11 on Jun 13, 2018 19:17:23 GMT
You're right, Linda. The truly scary part is the people who have come to not only accept this hate, but to actually enjoy it. You have to give the JA credit that he recognized this lowest common denominator in people and played to it expertly giving them exactly what they wanted. I'm not at all sure we will ever be able to recover from this. Treaties, tariffs, etc. can all come and go. They can do a lot of harm, but that can be rectified over time. But the prevalence of hate within our country, I'm not so sure that can ever be put back in the bottle. And the only members of the GOP who are standing up are the ones who are leaving and therefore have nothing to lose, but also are not going to be around to try and hold a line of decency and their cries at this point are like shouting into the wind. It's true that the Republican Party no longer exists. Now there is only the Trump Party, and the Republican Party went down without even putting up a fight.
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Post by nashville11 on Jun 14, 2018 14:01:18 GMT
It seems that there is nothing new in the "news" lately. Lots of speculation about Cohen and whether or not he is going to roll on the JA. Lots of commentators on that subject, and the opinions seem to be divided. Whichever one you are listening to at the moment seems to have some valid points, so I suppose it is anyone's guess and we'll just have to wait and see.
The IG's report on the investigation into Hillary's emails which is supposed to come out today may possibly have something of interest, but frankly, I am pretty sick of Hillary's emails. That's beating a dead horse, and I would be perfectly content never to hear them mentioned again. She screwed up big time. The leaks happened. The investigation happened. It's time to let it go as far as I'm concerned.
The JA has been in office for a year and a half. He's almost half way through his first (and hopefully last) term, yet you can't hear anyone from the administration speak for more than five minutes without Hillary somehow being brought into the conversation. What on earth would they do if they didn't have Hillary and Obama to burn in effigy on a daily basis?
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Post by nashville11 on Jun 14, 2018 14:13:44 GMT
The Democrats need to get their house in order, and come up with a strong candidate for 2020 that can appeal across a broad spectrum of the population. We know the Rs are going to stand firmly behind the JA. The Ds are most likely going to stand behind whoever ends up with the nomination, so we need a candidate who can appeal to those independents who don't consider themselves part of any particular party. Any ideas who that might be? As much as I like both Bernie and Biden, I think their time has come and gone. They both have baggage and are too much associated with the past. I like Elizabeth Warren, but I don't know how wide her appeal would be. Cory Booker is another one I like, but as much as I hate to say it, the fact that he is a black candidate could go against him, and we REALLY need to win this time around. Isn't it awful that we have to even think about a candidate's ethnicity? When Obama won, I think many of us thought we were finally putting that behind us. But, the JA has stirred up such a strong racial divide around the country that it is a strong reality whether we want it to be or not. How sad for our country.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 14:36:54 GMT
We need a strong woman candidate. Totally agree about Bernie & Biden. Elizabeth Warren is too much of a lightening rod but I do like her. Kamilla Harris is strong & outspoken. There is another woman, name escapes me, but from NY, I think. If JA is still in office & running in 2020 ( gosh I hope to god not!) maybe you need an Oprah to kick him to the curb...LOL...I don't think she will do it & in a way I hope she does not. They need a to get Nancy Pelosi out of leadership position. It's time. Also the Dem's need to focus on issues, not impeachment & JA. They need to find a way to embrace the Independents & Progressive branch of the party. They just need to get their act together in many area!
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Post by DotRen on Jun 14, 2018 14:38:03 GMT
My Santa wish list: make a viable 3rd party so the voters don't feel like we have to choose Dem or Rep as the only options. So many people think that voting other than D&R is throwing away a vote (and face it: as long as the Electoral College gets the final say, they DON'T) but having another option needs to happen to break the stalemate. Let's get Kinky Friedman to run again I still have the bumper stickers from the Texas Gov race!
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Post by nashville11 on Jun 14, 2018 15:02:44 GMT
Yes, I agree that the time has come for a viable third party; but, unfortunately that's not likely to happen between now and 2020. Money would be a big issue. Campaigns are expensive and grow ever more expensive every time. Campaign reform would help, but that's never going to get passed with things the way they currently are.
Linda, I like Kamala Harris. I think the other woman you are referring to may be Kristin Gillibrand, who also is good. Tammy Duckworth is another one I like. While I have nothing against Nancy Pelosi, I agree that it's time for her to move on. We need fresh faces in order to attract independents, and Pelosi is almost as much of a lightning rod as Hillary. Both are strong, smart women but they have garnered a lot of hate coming their way whether they deserve it or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 15:21:36 GMT
Yes, Gillibrand was the one I was thinking of...I forgot about Tammy Duckworth. I like her a lot. I also wish the Super Delegates would go away. I do not like that within the Dem party. I also hope at some time all parties will be treated equally & the 2 party system goes by the wayside. I don't see it happening anytime soon until the Electorial college goes!
State of NY suing the Trump Family Charitable Foundation, family & Board of Directors! Happy Birthday JA! :-):-):-)
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Post by nashville11 on Jun 14, 2018 21:28:27 GMT
And the photo of the JA saluting the NK officer, what a propaganda gift to NK! If he wasn't too arrogant to listen and learn, there are people in the State Department whose job is to prepare him for these exact situations to know the proper protocol, what to do and not to do. But he's just too arrogant to bother with learning anything. He thinks he already knows it all, and that he can do exactly as he pleases at all times--to hell with the image it portrays. Had that been President Obama (who would absolutely have known better), the right and especially Fox would have been crucifying him for it. But for the JA, anything goes and he can do no wrong in the eyes of his blind followers.
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Post by nashville11 on Jun 15, 2018 14:04:25 GMT
Good morning! Hope you are off to a good Friday and looking forward to a good weekend. It's going to be a scorching hot one here. So the IG report came out, and really didn't offer anything new that I can see. Comey didn't come out looking especially good, but that was to be expected. He did really botch things with the email announcements, and whether he intended to do so or not he definitely put a heavy thumb on the scale in the JA's favor. Had he just stuck to protocol and followed the established rules maybe things would have come out much differently, but now we'll never know. Well, we did learn one new thing. Comey also sometimes conducted government business with Gmail. A little hypocritical?!! As for the two FBI members with the anti-Trump texts, really as trained FBI investigators they surely should have known better than to put such statements in writing anywhere. Even though they didn't act on them, it still looks really bad and opens them up to real issues. Sometimes trained, smart people can do something so dumb. They're entitled to their opinions just like the rest of us, but they certainly should have had enough sense to exercise better judgment in voicing them. Most often it seems that it's the dumb mistakes in life that bring people down. Once again the JA is contradicting his staff, and is likely going to kill any chance of immigration reform; but, he's throwing red meat to his base and that's all he really cares about anyway. Keep them shouting adulation for him. And now we have a trade war with China. How can that possibly be good for anyone?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 14:11:30 GMT
After listening to JA at his impromptu news conference on WH lawn this morning, I just silently screamed! What a small pathetic piece of human flesh that occupies the Oval Office!
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Post by nashville11 on Jun 15, 2018 14:35:49 GMT
Amen to that, Linda!!!
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Post by DotRen on Jun 15, 2018 15:26:35 GMT
IMO: Comey and the FBI screwed up. They need to own it. As for the rest, I didn`t see the press thing, but why are we making enemies of our allies? I understand trying to broker peace with the countries/leaders we're at odds with, but why alienate our allies?
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Post by nashville11 on Jun 15, 2018 16:17:56 GMT
It makes no sense at all DotRen . Like you, I understand trying to make friends with our "enemies." I don't have a problem with JA meeting with KJU, although I think he bungled the meeting. But it makes absolutely no sense to alienate our long time allies. We're going to end up completely isolated. I don't pretend to understand all the nuances of foreign trade either, but I can't imagine how starting a trade war with anyone is a good idea. The thing that is most concerning is that there seems to be no rhyme or reason to the JA's foreign policy (or even domestic policy for that matter). It seems to totally be based on fly by the seat of your pants, whatever he's feeling at the moment. And the Rs just let him run roughshod over everything without a peep in protest. Does anyone know what our country's position is on anything? I used to think that "we" all knew what we stand for as a country and what "we" want to achieve even if "we" don't necessarily agree on the best way to get there. Now, it's anyone's guess . . . Maybe we no longer stand for anything at all.
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Post by luanne on Jun 15, 2018 20:00:47 GMT
And the photo of the JA saluting the NK officer, what a propaganda gift to NK! If he wasn't too arrogant to listen and learn, there are people in the State Department whose job is to prepare him for these exact situations to know the proper protocol, what to do and not to do. But he's just too arrogant to bother with learning anything. He thinks he already knows it all, and that he can do exactly as he pleases at all times--to hell with the image it portrays. Had that been President Obama (who would absolutely have known better), the right and especially Fox would have been crucifying him for it. But for the JA, anything goes and he can do no wrong in the eyes of his blind followers. I think Trump wasn't prepared, and that it was also a knee jerk reaction. I saw the video, it looked like Trump put out his hand, the general saluted, so Trump saluted back, then they shook hands. I am much more offended by Trump's praise of Kim Jung Un and his statements that we have nothing to worry about now. Trump has been played. He is either the most stupid, gullible person on earth, or the summit was just a photo op for him. Kim gave up nothing and Trump made concessions.
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Post by DotRen on Jun 15, 2018 20:24:37 GMT
Trump Says It’s OK He Misled Media About Son’s Russia MeetingOk... really? "The president’s lawyers admitted nearly two weeks ago that he dictated a statement that Donald Trump Jr. released about the meeting. When pressed by reporters Friday morning, Trump said, “It’s irrelevant. It’s a statement to The New York Times. The phony, failing New York Times.”" You see, Mr President, it DOES matter. Not only are you making them the "fake news" (and if YOU gave them that statement, they're not the fake - you are, sir.); YOU intentionally mislead us, the American People, by making a false statement to the media. THAT, Sir, is a very big RELEVANT deal indeed.
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