squid
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Post by squid on Aug 14, 2018 19:10:11 GMT
a cup of oatmeal is 5-6 pts., and God help you if you want a few raisins in it; it will cost you an arm and a leg. 1/2 cup Quaker Quick Oats (dry) 4 pts 150 cals1/2 cup skim milk + 1/2 cup water 2 pts 45 cals1/8 cup raisins 3 pts 68 cals1/8 cup walnuts 3 pts 94 calsTotal 12 pts 360 cals% of daily total (23 pts/1200 cal) 52% 30%How many of us are willing to eat over 50% of the total for the day before even leaving the house in the morning? My point exactly!
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Post by zazzles on Aug 14, 2018 20:37:39 GMT
She said yes, that's healthy eating. First mistake: telling a staff member you are struggling. Second mistake: mentioning any requirements or advice you got outside of the WW system. Thrid mistake: mentioning health-driven dietary needs. WW staff is programmed (and, from what a staff member said, threatened) to spew the party line—over and over and over. No original thinking or advice is needed, wanted, or tolerated—not any more, anyway. Further, WW is always careful to make sure people understand that they don't deal with weight loss for folks with specific medical issues/needs. That's a CYA thing so they can't be sued for giving (faulty) medical advice or direction.
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Post by Jennifer on Aug 14, 2018 20:52:34 GMT
zazzles I really don't find that in any of the meetings I go to.. One of the leaders cutely puts her hand over her name tag and says...this is a Susan thing, not a Ww thing, but it works for me... thinking about it now all the leaders I see speak from the heart and from their own experiences. I've never gotten the feeling they are stifled. Definitely agree on the medical advice thing, I can't blame them there.
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Post by lavonm on Aug 14, 2018 21:11:41 GMT
My leader used to be like that & she had wonderful meetings. Then a new receptionist was hired & she'd report our leader if she strayed from the party line. Meetings quickly became a bore when we couldn't stray from the weekly topic.
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Post by squid on Aug 14, 2018 21:15:20 GMT
She said yes, that's healthy eating. First mistake: telling a staff member you are struggling. Second mistake: mentioning any requirements or advice you got outside of the WW system. Thrid mistake: mentioning health-driven dietary needs. WW staff is programmed (and, from what a staff member said, threatened) to spew the party line—over and over and over. No original thinking or advice is needed, wanted, or tolerated—not any more, anyway. Further, WW is always careful to make sure people understand that they don't deal with weight loss for folks with specific medical issues/needs. That's a CYA thing so they can't be sued for giving (faulty) medical advice or direction. Ya, I regretted even mentioning it after she responded. Ironically, previous WW programs fit hand and glove with the information my cardiologist gave me. It wasn't even about weight loss, but about nutrition for heart health. Roz
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Post by Kitty on Aug 14, 2018 21:45:33 GMT
I personally find points easier to track than calories, especially not having to count points for fruits and vegetables. Trying to figure out the calories in a salad, for instance, would drive me bonkers - 1 cup of lettuce or maybe it's 2? How many calories in 6 cucumber slices? Is there 1, or 2, tablespoons of shredded carrot? This is actually very easy. I eat a lot of the same things in my salad. So, I often put 6 cherry tomatoes in my salad. Once I've tracked it once it pops up in my app when I start typing cherry. If I have 4 instead of 6 I say it is .66 servings. If I have 9 it is 1.5 servings, etc. Cucumbers same thing. I can search for cucumber slices on MFP and then just record it. Once I've done it once it turns up the next time I record it. For shredded carrot the MFP listing I use measures it in grams. The first time I used shredded carrot I measured the grams to get the calorie count. I generally use pretty much the same amount so it is also easy. I can record every ingredient in a salad in less than 1 minute. I could also save it as a recipe if I wanted to. I don't though since I do vary it. For long calorie veggies I don't stress too much. If a normal serving of carrots is 85 g I don't bother to measure if I am close to that. There isn't much difference in 75 g or 95 g for low calorie veggies. If it is a big deal I will measure. When making a salad I put the bowl on my scale and zero out between ingredients so when I add an ingredient I can see the weight and decide if I need to modify my MFP entry. In restaurants, most restaurants give NI for salads. If they don't I eyeball it and do my best guesstimate. The first few times I did a salad I had to look up items for the first time. But after that it was saved in there and easy to modify if the weight was out of whack (which it usually isn't).
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Post by zazzles on Aug 14, 2018 22:40:27 GMT
zazzles I really don't find that in any of the meetings I go to.. One of the leaders cutely puts her hand over her name tag and says...this is a Susan thing, not a Ww thing, but it works for me... thinking about it now all the leaders I see speak from the heart and from their own experiences. I've never gotten the feeling they are stifled. Definitely agree on the medical advice thing, I can't blame them there. Great that your area is like that. WW is run through a hierarchy of management (like all companies), and the latitude that staff has to "speak from the heart" is entirely dependent on how strictly the area management requires them to stick to protocols. When I was a leader in SF, one summer evening we had sweltering temps—and that meeting was above a laundromat! So I made some sugar-free lemonade and took it to the meeting to share with members. Nothing but water, lemon juice, and artificial sweetener—all free program foods at the time. It was only a matter of a couple of days before I heard from my area director and got a gentle reprimand because I hadn't submitted a recipe to the office and received approval. Did someone complain about me? Nope. Someone enjoyed the lemonade so much they called the office and asked for the recipe. Same end result. And it only takes one co-worker or one unhappy member to report a leader for the trouble to begin. The center that closed my Monday meeting this week had a uber-popular leader of the Saturday morning meeting. She was beloved. But she didn't walk the line. She was warned too many times and got fired. The members were up and arms and most called and cancelled. WW lost about 40 members over that. And that leader and those who quit simply arranged for a free meeting room locally and kept meeting without paying fees.
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Post by Jennifer on Aug 15, 2018 0:55:35 GMT
[/quote]Great that your area is like that.
Ugh...I was afraid you were going to say that. :-(
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Post by borntexan on Aug 15, 2018 1:03:25 GMT
I personally find points easier to track than calories, especially not having to count points for fruits and vegetables. Trying to figure out the calories in a salad, for instance, would drive me bonkers - 1 cup of lettuce or maybe it's 2? How many calories in 6 cucumber slices? Is there 1, or 2, tablespoons of shredded carrot? This is actually very easy. I eat a lot of the same things in my salad. So, I often put 6 cherry tomatoes in my salad. Once I've tracked it once it pops up in my app when I start typing cherry. If I have 4 instead of 6 I say it is .66 servings. If I have 9 it is 1.5 servings, etc. Cucumbers same thing. I can search for cucumber slices on MFP and then just record it. Once I've done it once it turns up the next time I record it. For shredded carrot the MFP listing I use measures it in grams. The first time I used shredded carrot I measured the grams to get the calorie count. I generally use pretty much the same amount so it is also easy. I can record every ingredient in a salad in less than 1 minute. I could also save it as a recipe if I wanted to. I don't though since I do vary it. For long calorie veggies I don't stress too much. If a normal serving of carrots is 85 g I don't bother to measure if I am close to that. There isn't much difference in 75 g or 95 g for low calorie veggies. If it is a big deal I will measure. When making a salad I put the bowl on my scale and zero out between ingredients so when I add an ingredient I can see the weight and decide if I need to modify my MFP entry. In restaurants, most restaurants give NI for salads. If they don't I eyeball it and do my best guesstimate. The first few times I did a salad I had to look up items for the first time. But after that it was saved in there and easy to modify if the weight was out of whack (which it usually isn't). I do like how MFP remembers food once it's been tracked.I can normally get 1150-1200 calories a day on there and so I figure if I don't get enough points in I have still met a healthy calorie range and am not concerned when I don't get all my points.I may continue to count calories instead of points eventually.My tracker is set to maintain and I get 1430 calories before any exercise and I like that.I never eat back any of my exercise calories but I like to see them there.
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Post by itsrad on Aug 15, 2018 1:24:10 GMT
Does anybody use calories and subtract a certain amount so they don't need to track points for fruit and veg? < asking for a friend
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Post by linda72 on Aug 15, 2018 1:33:10 GMT
For those of you who use MFP, is it possible to set your daily goal below 1200 calories? As I've mentioned, I'm short and really prefer to get 950-1000 calories/day and MFP won't let me go below that. Thanks!
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Post by borntexan on Aug 15, 2018 1:59:52 GMT
linda72 Do you not get hungry when you eat less than 1000 calories?I know I would be hungry but as far as I know M gFP doesn't let you close out your day under 1000 calories.It will give you an error note of not eating enough calories.Some of my days I keep in the upper 1100's although today was like 1213 but I know you can close your day out at 1100 calories.I'm also short...5'3" but I am still not comfortable getting below 1100.I would get too hungry.If you wanted to get around that I guess you could just keep your calories under 1000 and not close out your day in MFP. I know some people can get by on less and if you are one of them that's great.I like to eat too well. LOL.
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Post by borntexan on Aug 15, 2018 2:03:08 GMT
itsrad What plan is your friend doing on WW?As far as I know the only plan you have to count points for fruits and some veggies is classic.As far as calories I always track my fruits & veggies.
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Post by zazzles on Aug 15, 2018 3:59:06 GMT
Does anybody use calories and subtract a certain amount so they don't need to track points for fruit and veg? < asking for a friend I count calories but haven't pre-allocated calories for what WW terms zero-point foods. If I were to do so, I would set aside 200 calories—a number used by a well-known diet.
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Post by Kitty on Aug 15, 2018 4:17:58 GMT
Does anybody use calories and subtract a certain amount so they don't need to track points for fruit and veg? < asking for a friend I do not. I track them. But, I eat many of the same things frequently. So if I start typing in blackberries in the mobile app it pops right up and I say done (I usually eat the same amount but can easily adjust it). If I didn't want to track veggies and fruit at all (I do because I like to get the NU For those of you who use MFP, is it possible to set your daily goal below 1200 calories? As I've mentioned, I'm short and really prefer to get 950-1000 calories/day and MFP won't let me go below that. Thanks! I do this quite often. I have no problem setting my daily goal below 1200 calories. If you finish out the day under a certain amount (I forget how much) you get a message that you aren't eating enough. MFP won't do a newsfeed post for the day and won't do a 5 week projection, but I don't care about those things. It tracks the food just fine.
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