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Post by lavonm on Aug 15, 2018 9:45:36 GMT
Does anybody use calories and subtract a certain amount so they don't need to track points for fruit and veg? When I tracked calories, I tracked fruit but not veggies unless the veg was something like corn & peas. I prefer fruit over veggies so I need to keep those limited or I can easily eat too many servings.
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Post by hpeterson1951 on Aug 15, 2018 12:05:59 GMT
I didn't read all 8 pages, but what I did read is right on with what I'm thinking.
I still track all 0 point foods, and measure them.- Well, now that I'm back to tracking. I need to see what I've eaten
I'm going to seriously commit myself to freestyle for a month and then will double track with MFP.
I have created my own paper tracking with GHG. I need to see them
I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that finds Freestyle kind of deceptive
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Post by fullmahina on Aug 15, 2018 13:12:08 GMT
I am doing a little experiment.
For today, at least, I am doing Nutrisystem using shelf-stable NS food from a 5-day pack I got at Walmart.
I pre-plugged my food into the WW and MFP trackers. After entering the total NS food for the day plus my coffee creamer I am up to 27 points with WW and 810 calories (without adding the additional non-NS food that is required) with MFP.
According to FS, I am more than done for the day at 810 calories and after not reaching any of my nutritional goals. I know I could add a pile of zero-point foods and kick up my protein counts but going over my DP's would most likely have me stopping right where I was, believing I had more than met my goals. After all, you are not supposed to have to double-track to make sure you are in the calorie and nutrition ballpark.
According to MFP, I have 390 calories worth of nutrition left to go and can easily meet my calorie and nutrition goals by making a few more wise food choices. I can SEE what I need, easily and clearly.
The NS guidelines also have you eating additional food---veggies, and your choice of three portions of nuts, cheese, chicken breast, cottage cheese, egg, milk, peanut butter, yogurt, turkey breast. Also, one serving of fruit, whole-grain bread, hummus, oatmeal, pasta, whole wheat roll, sweet potato, banana, berries, grapes. In addition, you can add up to three "extras"---small portions of avocado, coffee creamer, low-fat cream cheese, SF syrup, popcorn, RF salad dressing.
From what I can quickly add up in my head the additions should bring you to 1200 calories. Adding some of the selections would have me way over my FS daily points and well into my weeklies. By the end of the five days I would be deeply in the red but calorically and nutritionally sound.
BTW, the NS breakfast was okay. Oatmeal Cranberry bites. Cookies, to be honest. Okay with my coffee. Just okay. Frankly, with shelf-stable items, I am not expecting to be wowed. I have done the NS Walmart shelf-stable box before when I needed a kick-start and I really do need one now.
Now I know that FS is supposed to steer us away from packaged foods and such but sometimes people want the convenience and the portion control that such foods provide.
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Post by alias123 on Aug 15, 2018 14:29:30 GMT
Does anybody use calories and subtract a certain amount so they don't need to track points for fruit and veg? < asking for a friend When I use MFP, I track it all. One reason is I want to know the info for the other things I track like Fiber. Also all calories count toward my limit. Since I track Fiber, Sodium, Saturated fat etc. I know I am eating a healthy diet so don't need a list of zero point foods to push me to eat fruit and veggies.
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Post by squid on Aug 15, 2018 14:51:08 GMT
zazzles I really don't find that in any of the meetings I go to.. One of the leaders cutely puts her hand over her name tag and says...this is a Susan thing, not a Ww thing, but it works for me... thinking about it now all the leaders I see speak from the heart and from their own experiences. I've never gotten the feeling they are stifled. Definitely agree on the medical advice thing, I can't blame them there. Great that your area is like that. WW is run through a hierarchy of management (like all companies), and the latitude that staff has to "speak from the heart" is entirely dependent on how strictly the area management requires them to stick to protocols. When I was a leader in SF, one summer evening we had sweltering temps—and that meeting was above a laundromat! So I made some sugar-free lemonade and took it to the meeting to share with members. Nothing but water, lemon juice, and artificial sweetener—all free program foods at the time. It was only a matter of a couple of days before I heard from my area director and got a gentle reprimand because I hadn't submitted a recipe to the office and received approval. Did someone complain about me? Nope. Someone enjoyed the lemonade so much they called the office and asked for the recipe. Same end result. And it only takes one co-worker or one unhappy member to report a leader for the trouble to begin. The center that closed my Monday meeting this week had a uber-popular leader of the Saturday morning meeting. She was beloved. But she didn't walk the line. She was warned too many times and got fired. The members were up and arms and most called and cancelled. WW lost about 40 members over that. And that leader and those who quit simply arranged for a free meeting room locally and kept meeting without paying fees. Mike, your experience echoes mine as a Leader/Receptionist for 24 years. For a company supposedly founded as a people-oriented enterprise, I found management to be rigid and not employee friendly. Roz
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Post by zazzles on Aug 15, 2018 17:48:23 GMT
Mike, your experience echoes mine as a Leader/Receptionist for 24 years. For a company supposedly founded as a people-oriented enterprise, I found management to be rigid and not employee friendly. Roz AND frickenfrugal cheap-assed as well.
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Post by squid on Aug 15, 2018 17:49:07 GMT
Mike, your experience echoes mine as a Leader/Receptionist for 24 years. For a company supposedly founded as a people-oriented enterprise, I found management to be rigid and not employee friendly. Roz AND frickenfrugal cheap-assed as well.You got that right!
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Post by hallian on Aug 17, 2018 18:25:25 GMT
So many of you are asking how you can lose weight on FS, well, I have. I've lost over 40 lbs since Jan 5. I don't think it's been difficult. I pretty much eat what I want (except not enough milk). It has worked for me. I don't think 100 calories difference between 2 different 23 point days is a big deal. It all works out at the end of a week or a month. Some of you have posted daily menus that would never fill me up. I use all of my 23 daily points almost every day and then use about all my weeklies when we go out to eat one day/week. I don't feel that I have been deprived of anything (except for not enough milk). The things that I don't eat are things that I probably shouldn't be eating anyway. I have eaten donuts, cookies, cake - BUT just a bite or two rather than what I would have eaten a year ago. Who knew that a sleeve of Oreos wasn't a serving?
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Post by squid on Aug 17, 2018 20:14:23 GMT
So many of you are asking how you can lose weight on FS, well, I have. I've lost over 40 lbs since Jan 5. I don't think it's been difficult. I pretty much eat what I want (except not enough milk). It has worked for me. I don't think 100 calories difference between 2 different 23 point days is a big deal. It all works out at the end of a week or a month. Some of you have posted daily menus that would never fill me up. I use all of my 23 daily points almost every day and then use about all my weeklies when we go out to eat one day/week. I don't feel that I have been deprived of anything (except for not enough milk). The things that I don't eat are things that I probably shouldn't be eating anyway. I have eaten donuts, cookies, cake - BUT just a bite or two rather than what I would have eaten a year ago. Who knew that a sleeve of Oreos wasn't a serving? I'm glad it's working for you - good job! Roz
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Post by limefan on Aug 17, 2018 22:07:41 GMT
This week I have been triple tracking with FS, P+ and calories. I am finding that my calorie intake with FS is high for me. I am 4'8" and have a very sedentary job. I can reach 1200 calories while eating only 18 Smart Points and one day I ate 1240 with only 10 FS points. So no wonder I am gaining weight when I try to eat 23 points. Now compare that with Points plus and I am at 24 and 26 Points Plus points with 18 and 20 Free style points. On Saturday I ate 18 FS points, 24 Points plus points and had eaten 1280 calories. Monday I ate 20 FS points, 26 P+ points and 1146 calories. I did find on P+ that I needed to keep my points down at 23 most days, which I know was below the 26 points WW recommended, in order to lose weight. I have gained and lost since Smart Points came out. I had hopes for Freestyle, but that is not working for me either.
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Post by hallian on Aug 17, 2018 23:37:36 GMT
Thank you, but my point is that it's probably working for a lot of people. So for those who were asking how a person could lose weight, well, it's possible.
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Post by zazzles on Aug 18, 2018 1:08:11 GMT
Thank you, but my point is that it's probably working for a lot of people. So for those who were asking how a person could lose weight, well, it's possible. Of course it is working for many people—if it wasn't WW would have had a crisis on their hands and would have been out of business by now. One thing that matters is age: many of us here are seniors, and with age comes slower metabolism, health problems—often with weight-loss-inhibiting medications—and (again for many) the inability to tolerate much exercise other than a bit of simple walking. What I'm saying is: each individual's current age, health, etc. plays a significant role in determining whether any program works. And the WW veterans here (30 or more year members) have seen programs change from those with very specific foods, planning and tracking to the current program of eat anything, if you run out of points fill in with zero point foods, and only track non-zero-point items. So when folks talk negatively about Freestyle, they aren't saying that they joined WW in 2018 and failed to lose weight (or felt ill or got ill or whatever), they're saying that compared to a lifelong commitment to WW programs, this one (for them) works less well or not at all.
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Post by borntexan on Aug 18, 2018 1:18:10 GMT
zazzles,Mike that is exactly how I feel.I have been on 3 different plans before freestyle and I have lost on all of them before now.I realize I'm a little under goal and don't really need to lose much but I'm one of those WW veterans with a slower metabolism.
I realize freestyle works for many people & I applaud those who have lost a lot of weight on freestyle and wish you all well on your journey but I am the type who needs to track points for everything but fruits & vegetables or calories so freestyle hasn't worked for me.
I also know quite a few people like myself who have either not lost anything on FS or who have actually gained on it.It goes back to not every weight loss plan works for others.We are all unique individuals so not every plan will suit or help everyone who goes to WW or does any other diet plan.
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Post by santex on Aug 18, 2018 15:47:57 GMT
As another veteran WW of MANY previous plans, I have just found that Freestyle was not working for me in terms of weight loss. I was already eating a lot of the zero point foods before Freestyle, and adding back in corn, beans, and other zero point foods has kept my weight yo-yoing up and down the same 2 pounds for the last six months. This last week I started tracking on MFP based upon the comments of many others on this board. In my first week, I've lost 2.2 pounds. I have never understood the lack of correlation between points and calories in the Freestyle program. Just doesn't work for me, but I'm glad that others seem to be having success. I think I need the structure of MFP tracking and I like tracking the GHG again.
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Post by hallian on Aug 18, 2018 16:11:42 GMT
zazzles, I get it. It was just the broad "how can anyone lose weight on this plan?" comments that I was responding to. If it's a relative thing, like "How can anyone lose weight on this plan, compared to the last WW plan?" Well, I think that's a matter of adjusting to change. If I tried to eat the same foods I ate on the 123 Success WW Plan and counted the Freestyle Points, I would never lose weight. I don't know why WW changes plans. I'm not even a real fan of WW, but it has helped me lose weight to follow their programs. I'm no longer a paying member, but I will continue to follow the Freestyle plan if I keep losing weight for another 20 lbs. I can say that I am definitely eating healthier even if I am not tracking the GHG.
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