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Post by hallian on Aug 18, 2018 16:15:00 GMT
...zazzles We are all unique individuals so not every plan will suit or help everyone who goes to WW or does any other diet plan.
This! Exactly.
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Post by knuckles491 on Aug 18, 2018 16:29:55 GMT
It's so funny....many of us have been doing WW for 30 or more years, for me it's been almost 50! And the bottom line is, if we are still trying to lose weight after all this time, I guess WW doesn't work! I mean, it doesn't work for us if we have to keep coming back and paying year after year, dieting and dieting, going up and down, losing the same pounds we regained. Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different outcome.
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Post by linda3412 on Aug 18, 2018 16:46:29 GMT
Knuckles, isnt that the absolute truth!
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Post by squid on Aug 18, 2018 17:03:13 GMT
I'm not questioning members' ability to lose weight on FS. People in my meeting are reporting mounds of pounds lost. My issue (and I realize it's mine alone) is marrying FS with my cardiologist's recommendations. It's very difficult to stay within my FS points and eat the heart healthy foods he wants me to consume.
I'm trying to put off having a valve replacement by stopping or slowing down the growth of plaque in the valve.
Roz
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Post by squid on Aug 18, 2018 19:22:47 GMT
It's so funny....many of us have been doing WW for 30 or more years, for me it's been almost 50! And the bottom line is, if we are still trying to lose weight after all this time, I guess WW doesn't work! I mean, it doesn't work for us if we have to keep coming back and paying year after year, dieting and dieting, going up and down, losing the same pounds we regained. Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different outcome. I look at it this way....had I not been doing (or attempting to do WW) all these years, I can only imagine what I would weigh. I would be one of Dr. Now's patients on My 600 Lb. Life. This morning I weighed 174. I weighed 210 back in 1978, so I guess I'm doing good all things considered. Roz
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Post by itsrad on Aug 18, 2018 19:40:11 GMT
squid , That is exactly how I feel. WW has made conscious of so many things about my eating (not all bad, but ..) I was incredibly fortunate a few years back to have an absolutely fabulous leader. Combined with hanging around the newbie board and the PP program, and I made substantial changes that have stuck even after I walked away from WW. It is also the reason I continue to hang around here. Even when I disagree with people I learn from them -
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Post by knuckles491 on Aug 18, 2018 20:08:17 GMT
That's great, Roz. But I, and many many others joined WW long ago, when we reached a certain "panic" weight. Years later, how many of us would give anything to be at that original weight? How many of us have, through dieting, packed on another 20, 30, 50 or more pounds?
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Post by squid on Aug 18, 2018 20:16:59 GMT
That's great, Roz. But I, and many many others joined WW long ago, when we reached a certain "panic" weight. Years later, how many of us would give anything to be at that original weight? How many of us have, through dieting, packed on another 20, 30, 50 or more pounds? I can relate to what you're saying, Knuckles. I remember being labeled "clinically obese" at the age of 12 or 13 when I was 5'6 1/2" and weighed 153 lbs. I was put on diet after diet, trying to get down to a mythical 120-125 lbs. Maybe if they had left well enough alone I wouldn't have gotten to over 200 lbs. Roz
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Post by knuckles491 on Aug 18, 2018 21:20:28 GMT
Oh, Roz, you are so right. When I was 128, I wish my parents had told me that I was OK the way I was.
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Post by zazzles on Aug 18, 2018 22:11:43 GMT
It's so funny....many of us have been doing WW for 30 or more years, for me it's been almost 50! And the bottom line is, if we are still trying to lose weight after all this time, I guess WW doesn't work! I mean, it doesn't work for us if we have to keep coming back and paying year after year, dieting and dieting, going up and down, losing the same pounds we regained. Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different outcome. But to be honest, statistically that applies to every diet. WW has topped most diets over time by having an average maintenance period of something like 2 years before people revert to old behaviors and gain weight back. No matter what the mechanism used to lose weight, it is very rare for someone to permanently keep the weight off. The statistics are staggering, and easily explain the constant ongoing introduction of new "miracle diets" with their associated books, foods, etc.
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Post by knuckles491 on Aug 18, 2018 23:00:15 GMT
Yes, Zazzles, I think dieting and keeping weight off has a 5% success rate. Maybe the secret is to reduce calories only slightly....enough to lose no more than 1/2 a pound a week. Even a loss of 1/4 lb. a week would mean 13 lbs. gone after a year. How many times have I calculated...."Let's see, if I lose 2 pounds a week, I will have all my weight off by such and such a date." I never stuck it out. If 2 years ago I decided to take it slow and easy, 8 ounces a week, I'd be sitting pretty right now. Or 4 years ago, or 6, or 8, or 50. Thanks for listening.
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Post by 76trojan on Aug 18, 2018 23:03:10 GMT
“My issue (and I realize it's mine alone) is marrying FS with my cardiologist's recommendations. It's very difficult to stay within my FS points and eat the heart healthy foods he wants me to consume.”
Hi squid. I’m interested in what foods your cardiologist recommended since my cholesterol is starting to go up. It seemed to me that the fs foods were actually part of a healthy heart diet, unless he wants you to go Ornish which is carb heavier and thus pointier. The dings for saturated fats, the emphasis on fruits, vegetables, lean fish and poultry and Greek plain yogurt....those are the standard heart foods, leaving room for avocados, olive oil, and nuts which require some points.
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Post by fullmahina on Aug 19, 2018 0:22:15 GMT
I can't help but think that FS works better for those whose dietary habits are totally horrendous pre-FS. Being guided towards "healthy" proteins and reducing carbs and sugars would work wonders with those people. Newbie dieters who thought nothing of chugging down a couple of liters of full-sugar Coke daily. But for those of us who have already cut down carbs and sugars I don't think it works all that well. For me, it worked nicely at first and I raved about it. I loved not counting eggs and turkey and chicken and fish---all foods that I had already been eating in good amounts during weight loss attempts. The addition of beans and CORN (OMG I truly LOVE corn, especially at this time of the year!) had me smiling. And yes, because I was off the rails pre-FS, it worked for me in the beginning. Then...it didn't. So I went with measuring and weighing and double-tracking and thinking....WTH. Why am I doing this when the absolute best success I ever had with weight loss was combining calorie counting with exercise? MANY years ago, with the WW exchange program, I had pretty good success too (yes, even with the liver and making my own ketchup). None of the points programs had me losing all that much weight. But when I grabbed a little notebook and got a little calorie counter booklet and never went over 1200 calories I had great success. Another place and time, of course, but free of gimmicks and silly promises. Fast forward to today. Got old, got tired, got sloppy, lost motivation. Whatever the reason, I went back to looking for the Magic Bullet, the Golden Ticket. Jenny Craig, Nutrisystem, Smart Points, Freestyle. I could go on but I think you get the point. That being said, here I am, classified as obese and aiming for simply overweight. I just had bloodwork done---damn near perfect except for a slightly low Vitamin D level. Cholesterol is fine which made me laugh---I eat at least ten eggs per week (we have chickens ) and I am always expecting my lipid profile to be a mess but nope---perfect. So apparently, except for my excess poundage, my diet is not contributing to any health problems. Now knee and hip issues....another story. At this point I know what I NEED to do to feel healthier and I know what I NEED to do to be more fit. Simply can't find that kick in the butt that I need so badly but I have realized that WW is not the answer. I don't need another shiny object diet waved in my face. I need to get back to tried and true basics.
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Post by knuckles491 on Aug 19, 2018 0:38:59 GMT
fullmahina, You are the first person who has stated that your cholesterol levels are great after eating lots of eggs. I've been wondering if people's lipid profiles have improved on FS.
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Post by fullmahina on Aug 19, 2018 1:15:31 GMT
fullmahina , You are the first person who has stated that your cholesterol levels are great after eating lots of eggs. I've been wondering if people's lipid profiles have improved on FS. The latest data has cleared eggs of all evil. Not only do they not contribute to a higher serum cholesterol level, it seems that they actually contribute towards improving overall cholesterol counts. My girls are doing the chicken dance. www.health.com/nutrition/eating-eggs-daily-healthy
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