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Post by lani on Dec 15, 2019 22:27:58 GMT
nashville11, didn't say I believe it, although anything's possible. Just saying it's not the most outlandish reason that's been trotted out lately. As far as Graham, I believe he needs/wants to be where the power is and that overrides any other consideration for him. I just wonder if these people have managed to fool themselves that what they are doing will ultimately result in good, or are they just cynical power grabbers. Probably both. Way to compartmentalize.
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Post by nashville11 on Dec 16, 2019 15:46:18 GMT
It's going to be an interesting week in some ways, and an anti-climactic week in others. Impeachment is coming. That's a fact. Half the country wants him not only impeached but also removed from office according to Fox News's poll. And more than half think he should be impeached. For most people, that would make you want to stop and evaluate your positions knowing that more than half the country thinks you are not doing the job you were elected to do. But not this JA. We all know that introspection is not a thing he's capable of doing. I just hope that we'll get an actual trial with real witnesses and that those witnesses would tell the truth rather than perjure themselves, but there's not much chance of that happening. So my hope becomes that any witnesses who perjure themselves for this JA will ultimately have to pay the price for it. How on earth does he command such blind loyalty from some of these people? Other than not being tweeted about, what do they ultimately expect to gain from him? Whatever it is, they're a fool for believing they can trust him to fulfill any promises he may have made.
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Post by nashville11 on Dec 16, 2019 16:44:34 GMT
A lot of young voters seem to be unhappy with Mayor Pete because they think he's too centrist. My personal thoughts are that someone not too far in any direction is what we are ultimately going to need, but these young voters don't agree. If, however, they push candidates too far to the left will they also work to get them elected and come out and vote? Maybe. If they care enough to push to the left those particular voters probably will, but historically younger voters have not been as likely to become actively involved and actually vote. Maybe because they haven't believed in the candidates before. Maybe if we have a candidate they believe in they will. Still, it worries me to see candidates being pushed too far left. What good does it do to espouse ideas that can't draw in enough voters? Maybe I'm just an old fuddy duddy and those ideas can draw in enough voters.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 17:17:08 GMT
Guess, I'm an old "fuddy buddy" too, Joyce. You know that phrase, really really dates us...LOL...I would rather see more candidates in the middle because, I believe they are more open to bipartisanship. We need that more than ever in this day & age. Now, I believe, & I could be wrong, but Katsch a Republican seems to be centrist. I like his personality from what I've seen so far, but that doesn't mean I like his politics & stances on many issues. But he always seems like a guy who is at least willing to listen, has a heart, calm in demeanor, etc. I think the Republicans would have been far better off if Kasich had been their nominee. Even tho, I would have liked a Democrat to win in 2016, if Kasich had been a nominee & won, I don't think I would be feeling so depressed, so upset & so mad about the way the country is heading with JA. But I could just be living in la la land wishing everything would have different if JA hadn't walked down that escalator. But then McConnell probably couldn't have controlled Kasich or any other nominee like JA. I still believe McConnell is the "anti-christ" ....He is one dangerous dude!
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Post by nashville11 on Dec 16, 2019 20:27:44 GMT
Linda, Kasich is a Republican that I like as well. Like you, I don't necessarily agree with him but I do think he is reasonable and genuinely has the best interest of the country at heart. Unfortunately those seem to be rare qualities these days. The Republican Party would have been far better off with Kasich as their nominee. In fact, they would have been better off with any other nominee than what they went for. They really scraped the bottom of the barrel with the one they chose. Of the possible nominees they had Cruz was the 2nd worst, but even he would have been light years better than this one. LOL! We may be dated, old fuddy duddies Linda, but we're still kicking and not going down without a fight!
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Post by birdgal on Dec 17, 2019 0:01:05 GMT
Joyce, I believe the one and only reason he commands blind loyalty from Republicans is because he's a Republican now.
He was cunning enough to change parties. He knew they'd cheer him on no matter what.
Pathetic.
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Post by DotRen on Dec 17, 2019 11:41:19 GMT
I have to say I'm not holding out much hope that justice will be done. Normal people will see that DT did the things he's accused of, but these aren't normal people. Their only goal is to get re-elected. They don't care about their oaths of office, the people they're supposed to represent, the constitution, or the fact that DT has made the USA a laughing stock.
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Post by nashville11 on Dec 17, 2019 15:13:59 GMT
I have to say I'm not holding out much hope that justice will be done. Normal people will see that DT did the things he's accused of, but these aren't normal people. Their only goal is to get re-elected. They don't care about their oaths of office, the people they're supposed to represent, the constitution, or the fact that DT has made the USA a laughing stock. Unfortunately, I think you are right DotRen. It is very sad that our country has come to this point.
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Post by nashville11 on Dec 17, 2019 15:21:33 GMT
CNN says that the WH and McConnell are worried that a small group of GOP senators will buck the party and want a real trial.
"The group includes moderates up for reelection, like Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, who may want to show independence from Trump; seasoned veterans, like Sen. Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, who are retiring and who may not feel politically bound to support the President; and outright critics of Trump, like Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah, who have challenged his unorthodox presidency and who may want to learn more about the allegations of a quid pro quo with Ukraine that is at the heart of the impeachment."
This is pretty much the same group they always think may buck the party, and yet so far all I've seen from them is that they toe the party line according to what McConnell and the JA want every time so I'm not holding out much hope for them. Alexander hasn't shown an inch of backbone since he went to Washington, which is kind of interesting because back in the dark ages when he was governor of TN he was actually a good governor, especially good for education. But when he got to Washington, he became just another doormat. So even though he's going to be retiring I don't see him suddenly finding that missing backbone. Mitt Romney likes to talk tough, but so far all we've seen him do is cave. Susan Collins caves every single time as well. So I will be shocked if they break ranks and demand a real trial. As for voting to impeach, no way are they going to do that. In fact, when I wrote Alexander about it he spelled it out in his canned response that he thinks the election should decide.
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Post by lani on Dec 17, 2019 16:20:41 GMT
I saw a poll today that showed 70% of citizens wanted witnesses to be called for the Senate trial. Now this is the same small poll (1000 people only) that showed you-know-who beating every Democratic opponent, so I take any of its results with a very large grain of salt.
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Post by birdgal on Dec 17, 2019 19:02:07 GMT
I don't trust polls. If I were in charge I would ban them.
They are a waste of time. People might not tell the truth, change their answer after they've been polled, after seeing the results of the poll decide to not bother voting if their gal/guy isn't doing that well according to the polls.
Polling is a bad idea. Imho. Not a fan of the poll. Get rid of them!
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Post by nashville11 on Dec 17, 2019 20:30:19 GMT
It is hard to put much faith in polls especially after pretty much all the polls last time around showed Hillary winning. I guess they were right as far as the popular vote was concerned, but a lot of good that did. Once again I wrote to my senators (Alexander and Blackburn ) this morning imploring them to have an actual trial with witnesses. I know my messages to them do no good, but at least they make me feel like I have done all I can do rather than just sit idly by while the country circles the drain. Linda, I know you are probably up there in North Dakota laughing at me, but it is COLD here--low 30s and the wind just cuts through you like a knife. How on earth do you do it all winter long, and long winters at that. Girl, you are tough!
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Post by nashville11 on Dec 17, 2019 20:51:21 GMT
The letter to Nancy Pelosi is just more proof of how totally unhinged he is. He is completely incapable of of any decorum or leadership whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 21:33:14 GMT
Joyce, I'm sure our blood is way thicker than you southerners. LOL.... I also, know, I would not survive your heat & humidity. So, It all kind of evens out.
JA said he wanted his letter to Pelosi to be viewed by history. LOL...ahhhhhl, I wonder if he realizes how juvenile & immature it will sound to history & will show his true nature as an amoral & inept President. He will go down in history all right, but now like he thinks it will. I read today, that once the Senate Trial is over, many fear he is going to unleash as much fury on everything & everyone that he can get away with. It's going to get ugly real fast! I wonder if we have only seen the tip of the iceberg concerning JA & his anger!
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Post by DotRen on Dec 17, 2019 21:56:44 GMT
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