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Post by wildcat on Dec 2, 2017 21:37:13 GMT
I though there was a good balance a couple of years ago when they decided that each month would have one specific focus and the weeks of that month would be spent on that topic. I felt that gave leaders some time to get into the depth of the topic and that it was more likely folks would begin to make actual change. I liked this concept a lot too.
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Post by Kitty on Dec 2, 2017 21:59:01 GMT
It has always amazed me (I guess that is the word) to see so many people when a new plan comes out say they don't like it simply because it is new. They are often irate about the idea of change itself. Some say that WW does it because they want to sabotage people's weight loss or they just want to sell new materials/items.
To me, I've never had problems with change. I expect and want WW to change particularly as we learn more about the science involved in weight loss. I am glad I don't have a computer with the same software on it that I had 20 years ago. Yes, I've been sad at times when an old program quit working and sometimes a feature is lost that I liked. But, overall, it is all better now than it was 20 years ago.
I would honestly be irate with WW if it didn't update with science or didn't try new things and just stayed the same. One of the things that I count on is that WW will adjust with the times. And, there are certainly enough people out there who are overweight that I don't think WW has to try to sabotage weight loss for anyone.
I am not saying I've liked every change WW has made. I haven't. But, in general, I think that the program has appropriately changed with the times.
(Note that I totally understand why someone might stick with an older program if they like it better. I'm talking about the resistance to change simply because it is change).
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Post by zazzles on Dec 2, 2017 22:03:48 GMT
I'm talking about the resistance to change simply because it is change). But the reality of things is that many people are resistant to change. That's their reality. And if WW would set people's expectations on an ongoing basis that their program is all about staying current with science and that changes are to be expected almost every year, then maybe many who are resistant wouldn't be quite so much so.
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Post by Kitty on Dec 2, 2017 22:15:54 GMT
I'm talking about the resistance to change simply because it is change). But the reality of things is that many people are resistant to change. That's their reality. And if WW would set people's expectations on an ongoing basis that their program is all about staying current with science and that changes are to be expected almost every year, then maybe many who are resistant wouldn't be quite so much so. I agree they should do that. I mean they do say it. I've heard it said. And I know I have read it. But, I think they could and should make it more front and center.
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Post by jeanie on Dec 2, 2017 22:26:48 GMT
I was really resistant when PP went to SP. Only because it penalized my go to sugary treats. I won't lie lol..that was the only reason. I pouted for some weeks, came back and started all IN with SP. It wasn't the change in general. Just that I couldn't continue to eat the way I wanted i.e. carp food
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Post by zazzles on Dec 2, 2017 23:03:23 GMT
I was really resistant when PP went to SP. Only because it penalized my go to sugary treats. I won't lie lol..that was the only reason. I pouted for some weeks, came back and started all IN with SP. It wasn't the change in general. Just that I couldn't continue to eat the way I wanted i.e. carp food I know what you mean. I have one friend who lost over 100# using PP and was very happy with it. But he insists that he won't give up his desserts and certain other indulgent foods (i.e., red meat meals high in saturated fat when he visits restaurants). He was actually part of a beta group for SP for a couple of months before the roll-out and was very critical of it. When it was rolled out, he refused to use it Then he stewed over the fact that he couldnt use the WW tracking tools to continue with PP. He tried 3rd party apps, but he judged them all to be deficient in one way or another. Fast forward 12 to 14 months before he finally got out of his snit and decided to do SP. And in that time he ended up totally losing what control he had of his eating and regained a significant number of pounds. And he is now stewing about the upcoming change because: a) he says he has NO appestat to tell him when to stop eating (i.e., he eats until he's out of points; and, b) he's going to lose precious points that he "needs" to continue his indulgent desserts and restaurant meals. So it really takes all kinds of people and attitudes, and each uses the program in their own way to be in control of their eating.
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Post by jeanie on Dec 2, 2017 23:30:37 GMT
zazzles, yes, and as much as I don't like the general nudging WW has been doing over the years towards healthier eating, it really is better for us. I know it is for me anyway. I grew up in the south, and my mother would put sugar in my foods, foods that don't need sugar, to get me to eat when I was a toddler. It had a permanent effect on me, and my lean towards sweet foods, and love of them. So, just like in my 20s when I wanted to lose weight, I had to learn to like salads, the taste and texture of them, yogurt, the taste and texture of it, etc, etc. It has been a slow progression. Same as with carbs, grow up poor, you at least had bread at the table, so that was hard and still is hard sometimes to not go for that over say, vegetables, low glycemic fruit like berries, and protein foods. If I could just get a handle on the condiments - self proclaimed "condiment queen" - I think I will have evolved quite well, even though it has taken over 40 years lol.
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Post by irisinnia on Dec 3, 2017 0:50:15 GMT
While healthy eating is better for us, is forcing it better for someone starting out? If it's plan vs. plan you can argue that point. But what about plan vs. nothing? Is trying to squeeze junk into a number worse than not thinking about how much you eat? I think the program needs to lure these people in. I can guarantee you, if I had started on SP, I wouldn't have lasted a month. One of my 'rules' was 'I'm not quitting soda'. It is only through joining WW, working the PP plan, learning the materials, discovering Beck on the boards, etc. that I learned how silly this thought was. How many people are out there gaining year after year, with silly eating rules in their heads, that are taking one look at these plans and turning away? As points drop, people learn to make cuts (and usually they make good ones), but you have to get them on the plan first.
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Post by louisstone on Dec 3, 2017 1:06:41 GMT
Folks - here's the deal.
The new (if it's a real thing) plan wasn't designed for people all up in the numbers. It's designed to appeal to the healthy lifestyle crowd.
A healthy lifestyle is about making better choices - something my wife says she needs to do as she loads cräp into our cart at Aldi anyway.
Show people CLEARLY that crap isn't good by making it look that way in the program and give them alternatives that are better.
They'll struggle a bit, but they'll absorb the 'eat this, not that' part which is most important. SP has worked very well in that regard and meeting attendance has stabilized and grown.
Members continue to lose weight because they're making better choices. Even if we eggheads struggle with the 'how' part, it seems to be working.
So, if they go down this road tomorrow and tell me I can eat my weight in beans, I'll be okay. The Newbies will be okay or they won't. We always have a large subset of people that can't make it work no matter what the program is.
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Post by borntexan on Dec 3, 2017 1:45:22 GMT
I advanced my laptop to 12/9 and it had a link to the list of zero point foods.It's not as bad as I first thought.I am willing to give it a try.
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Post by Kitty on Dec 3, 2017 1:48:19 GMT
louisstone, What you say is entirely right. I understand that some people don't want to give up this or that and want to continue to eat food that isn't the healthiest. I mean in many ways I resemble that remark. When I first got to lifetime 25 years ago, I truly didn't really buy into changing eating habits for a lifetime. Oh, I said I did. But, not really. The program then was a lot more rigid than any of the points program. It was an exchange program. Yes, you could eat any food. But, you had limited optional calories (sort of like today's weekly points) and indulgences like cake, candy, chips, cookies, etc. had to come solely out of those calories. Your exchanges were spent on real food and you had to eat a certain amount of each kind of exchange each day. You had to eat so many bread exchanges and so many milk exchanges, etc. So there was a lot of structure. And, I did really well and got to goal. But, after I became lifetime I fairly quickly started regaining. I didn't really want to eat that way. And, I had been relying on the program to tell me what to eat (4 exchanges of that, 2 of that, 6 of that, etc.) rather than really change my own choices. I couldn't really handle healthy eating on my own. I've come to believe that the making better choices yourself within a lot of freedom to make bad choices is key for long term weight loss. If you are going to keep weight off long term, you have to be able to make better choices most of the time even when you are "allowed" to make crappy ones. Some people can't/won't do that. But, for those who can they will have a better chance of keeping weight off if they have truly internalized the eating changes.
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Post by louisstone on Dec 3, 2017 2:19:36 GMT
My first turn with WW was in 1985-86. I hated everything about the experience because I was 1) a teenager; and B) male.
And those godawful WW frozen meals!
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Post by jeanie on Dec 3, 2017 2:51:33 GMT
louisstone, hey hey now ! Frozen meals rock I survived on the chicken a la king through all of my preteen and early teen years That is the only one I really ever enjoyed though. And hey, it had peas!!
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Post by louisstone on Dec 3, 2017 3:48:38 GMT
louisstone, hey hey now ! Frozen meals rock I survived on the chicken a la king through all of my preteen and early teen years That is the only one I really ever enjoyed though. And hey, it had peas!! My mom only bought the fish and vegetarian pasta dishes. Thus the loathing.
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Post by zazzles on Dec 3, 2017 4:08:53 GMT
My first turn with WW was in 1985-86. I hated everything about the experience because I was 1) a teenager; and B) male. And those godawful WW frozen meals! When you get 52 servings of liver (cooked without oil, onions or bacon) a year under your belt, THEN we'll talk! Kitty, that was my experience, too, on the 1972 plan which was, essential, exchanges without the optional calories (and, of course, the liver once a week and fish five times a week).
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