PROGRESSIVE DISCUSSION MONDAY 8/6 - SUNDAY 9/2

The same thing here, Linda. I see people I have known all my life and I think who are you? You are not the person I have always known. You're not the person I have liked and even admired all my life. You're someone I no longer even recognize. And it has nothing to do with party affiliation or even with conservatives and liberals. That is not conservative behavior. At least not the behavior I have always known from those who consider themselves to be conservative. It is an enigma to me. I really could care less about Omarosa, and she certainly was not very loyal. He does have a right to be upset with her. But no one has the right to denigrate another person or to call them vile, hateful names. At least not in the world where I grew up. Not in the world I want to live in now. Not in the world I want my grandchildren to be raised in. This just never stops, and he will never stop it. It is ingrained in the very fiber of his being. So I will never understand how people accept this. As you said, were these people always that way? When the German people stood by while the Jews were marched to death camps, was it because that deep down they had always had that hatred and now were happy to see it being brought to the surface? Is that what is going to become of our country? Will no one stand up and say this is wrong? Even those people in the GOP who are not Trump supporters seem to be afraid to speak out very strongly. Why not? Because they really don't think it is that wrong, or because that they are willing to sink to any level to hold their positions, or a combination of both? And Democrats why aren't you doing more to show a viable alternative? Frankly, I would vote for any person of any party that could show me a viable alternative to this to what we have now. Rs seem to be too afraid of him to do anything, and Ds seem to be locked too deeply into the old guard to bring in fresh ideas. Will no one actually stand up for the country?

I think you are right, Linda, and how very sad that is for us all.

Certainly the way Clinton behaved in the Oval with Lewinsky was beyond disgusting and can not ever be excused. At least, however, in public he behaved in a dignified manner. I also saw Clinton's behavior in that fiasco as reflecting on himself and not as a reflection of the country. But, with Trump the way his followers try to emulate him and the things he says as our country's representative reflect back on to us all. No excusing either one of them. George W was a President I disagreed strongly with, but even when he butchered the English language he didn't embarrass us as a country. And to give him credit, he was able to laugh at himself about his problems with pronunciation. This JA is completely incapable of laughing at himself about anything at all.

Bush may have been a harmless clown/fool in his public persona, but I will never give him a pass because of the war he and Cheney started.

Bill Clinton had/has the morals of a randy Tom Cat but it did not affect the country in anyway shape or form compared to what Trump is doing.

Trump is even leaving Nixon's Watergate in the dust, but you can still give Nixon creds for somethings he did right.

The Republicans in Congress can take Trump down, but yes they are way too chicken to cross him or they are making too much of a profit from his actions.

When you think that these are the sons and/or grandsons of those that fought in WWII I guess the DNA really got watered down.

Trump conducted his life and business the way he is running the country now. That old leopard is never going to change his spots.

I wonder if Omorosa really has something on Trump, and if she did, why did she wait so long to tell.  Or, is it just that Trump cannot stand it if anyone says anything negative about him.  I noticed he's already come up with some disgusting nicknames for her.

And we are having another T-Storm, if all this rain translates to snow in the winter for the N.E..............

Lots of snowmen are going to be built........

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What difference does it make whether or not the JA ever used the N-word? Whether or not there is a tape to prove it? His actions speak far louder than any words he utters. Would anyone, including his supporters, actually be surprised if he did? He says a lot of really vile, hateful things. He embarrasses the country before the entire world. He is actively destroying the country and everything we stand for, so getting hung up over whether he ever uttered such a specific disgusting word or not seems to be a moot point to me. This man is evil, plain and simple.