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Post by Jennifer on May 3, 2020 12:49:13 GMT
It's a big week for many of us as states begin to open.
Here in Ohio I feel and see anger brewing over being held back.
My sons have been working throughout (essential), my husband goes back to work tomorrow. Work will look little different for him with the distance and wearing a mask.
Stylists and barbers are getting really noisy as well.
I am not anxious to go back to the salon, in fact I'm scared. We are to get news this week from our governor when we can open. I'm not a big risk taker, I'd rather wait a bit to see what this first wave of loosening does.
The longer this goes on the more I am of the belief that this virus will continue to march on through the population until there is enough immunity to stop it.
How are you feeling about changes coming to your state this week?
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Post by linda72 on May 3, 2020 13:32:09 GMT
Jennifer, I'm in Texas and I agree the natives are getting restless. Our governor has allowed some businesses to open but not everyone is happy about it. Our mayor (Houston) doesn't agree with the governor's list of openings. People are anxious to go back to work for financial reasons but like you, are anxious. It's a strange time. I don't think we can keep people locked in their homes without some people showing anger. Without a vaccine, the virus will continue to march through the population which I believe is the only way to get herd immunity. A vaccine is still a dream so I don't think we can keep things locked up until that is ready for the masses. I thought the reason for the quarantine was to "flatten the curve" and give health care a chance to prepare for the expected high number of patients. I never thought the quarantine would prevent people from getting the virus but would stretch out the numbers over a longer period of time. There is so much mis-information that I can't keep up with it. Why do some people barely have symptoms while others have much more serious ones? I know it's supposed to be worse for people with compromised immune systems but then you read of healthy people in their 30s getting it. Scientists have a lot to learn and developing a vaccine will take time. Are we supposed to stop the world completely? I'm reading about schools not opening in the fall, canceling field trips next school year, not having sports, theater, or band. Really? Is that the answer? Colleges are looking at those things also. There has to be a way for life to continue. We don't do all of these things for yearly flu and we didn't do it when we had swine flu. I know the numbers are different for this disease but we need to come up with solutions that are manageable. Sorry, I didn't mean to ramble.
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Post by mac on May 3, 2020 14:03:19 GMT
jae,
Thanks for posting this thread.
All I can say is we are in big trouble opening this up so soon here in Michigan, thanks to all the rallies. We have not hit our peak here where I live as the map shows we have two of the four counties that border us with red so it's slowly drifting to us from Detroit!
Our neighbor across the street has had it over four weeks. He went to Mississippi to work and came home sick. He was getting better and he got a relapse that just about killed him, so very sick the second time, couldn't get up to go to the doctor or E R. His wife unlocked their front door for a while so EMT's could get in if he had to go to the hospital. He was a big healthy guy that thought he wouldn't get it. Thank God his wife didn't get it as she has to take care of him. He stays in the basement, she upstairs, puts his food by the basement door for him to get. The count they are doing on this may not be accurate as he had the blood test in the county next to us and no follow up has been done since the blood test. They usually notify people who have been around prior to Covid and his wife believes it was counted in the county he was tested in. So much for our unorganized government! You do not want to get this Covid!!! It's really scaring us after I talked to her, if we get it we won't make it, just that simple.
I really wish all these people that keep doing all the rallies would stop and put that time to better use by helping in this time of need instead of hindering, just crazy the danger they are putting us all in!
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Post by lani on May 3, 2020 16:54:44 GMT
I'm in California and there are protests here. I see that nationally 75% of the populace wants most businesses to stay closed until health experts deem it safe, but the protesters get so much coverage it seems like the willingness to take a chance with the virus is very wide spread. We'll see how the infection and death rate is in a month or so. It takes that long from infection to death, as far as I can tell.
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Post by Jennifer on May 3, 2020 17:26:18 GMT
We'll see how the infection and death rate is in a month or so. It takes that long from infection to death, as far as I can tell. That's what I'm afraid of. 😕
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Post by Schpuggy on May 3, 2020 17:30:33 GMT
Northern New Jersey here, a hot spot. We were and continue to be hit hard. We are across the river from Manhattan and most people who live in this area work and commute into NYC either by car/bus/train. I am 2 blocks from a major hospital and the sirens on a daily basis were unrelenting. I myself have witnessed 3 people being loaded into ambulances while out on my walk. The sirens do lessen each day but we are nowhere out of the woods yet. State & county parks have reopened this weekend and that's it. If social distancing lessens and new cases are on the rise once again, this will be rescinded. I am a firm believer that there will be a 2nd wave hitting this fall. I hope I am wrong but I see as I walk around the neighborhood daily that people are letting their guard down somewhat. Traffic has substantially increased. Even though we are required to wear a mask in a store or to pick up takeout food, I see people walking about in close proximity to others without a mask. Our NJ Governor works with the NY Governor and the CT Governor as the residents there either commute or reverse commute from these states. We most likely will be one of the last states to open up.
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Post by bbbearsmom on May 3, 2020 18:21:13 GMT
I live in Connecticut and we might start opening up starting May 20th if the numbers go down. I am in the SW corner of the state so we are in the New York hot spot. Even if things relax my husband and I will be keeping to ourselves although I haven't used grocery delivery. We are both at risk. This is it, life as we know it has changed. linda72, This is more than the flu. It is more contagious and more deadly, and it is going to be the older people that die.
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Post by susieaz on May 3, 2020 18:58:15 GMT
Here in Az we have a stay at home order until May 15 and that may change. This weekend, and for the next two weekends, the state is having a testing “blitz” for anyone with symptoms or think they have been exposed to virus. I think the results of this will determine how long the stay at home order will last. As of May 1 the only thing that’s changed is elective surgeries are ok. Other businesses will start a slow opening up May 15. I have a feeling that will change as more testing is done. Az has been behind on testing. We have 91 cases in our county, that jumped from 81 yesterday . I expect a further increase now that the testing is more available and easier to get. There are protests in Phoenix but our governor is going by the data and medical advice. Glad of it!
One of the big concerns here is the Navajo reservation. It has been hit hard so there are food and water drives for them around the state. Some traditional Navajos have no running water so difficult to wash hands. People and stores are donating bottled water and hand sanitizer for them. When I was teaching in Flagstaff many of my kids went to the res, either, Navajo or Hopi on the weekends and told us about the difference in life in town and in the traditional homes.
It’s interesting to see how different states handle this and how diverse our country is.
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Post by fullmahina on May 3, 2020 20:17:37 GMT
Very unlikely that there will be "herd immunity" to COVID-19 without a vaccine. I for one am horrified by the suggestion that letting it run its course through society would be the way to go. It does not just affect the old, the immunocompromised, the less-than-healthy among us. And even if it did, what kind of society thinks it's okay to sacrifice those people? The idea is morally and ethically repulsive. I do hear the idea tossed around rather freely as time goes by and people are getting weary of the social distancing regulations and all I can do is shake my head. Who would we be willing to sacrifice, in our own circle of friends and family? It really would come down to just that although we would not have the luxury of choosing who would die.
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Post by luanne on May 3, 2020 20:44:28 GMT
I'm in New Mexico. Along with susieaz, we are very concerned about the Navajo Nation. One of our friends is making masks for them. She and her mom have a table coverings business and she is using napkins. She is also making masks for sale and using the proceeds to make more masks for those in need. Our governor shut us down pretty early and pretty hard. The stay at home order has been extended to May 15, but as of this week some businesses have been allowed to open up, with restrictions. Those are golf courses (golf only, no restaurants, no retail), pet groomers and boarders, gun shops ( ) and retail that can be conducted with curbside pickup. When you look at our number of cases, and deaths, we're pretty low n the scale. I attribute that to the governor's orders. But we have one mayor in Grants who defied the governor's order and urged his town to open back up. He fired his city manager when she closed the golf course, and another business is being fined $60,000 as she opted to never close down. Then 50 miles away in Gallup, they begged the governor to shut them down completely as their rate of cases and deaths was growing.
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Post by Jennifer on May 3, 2020 20:50:23 GMT
Very unlikely that there will be "herd immunity" to COVID-19 without a vaccine. ( Why do you say that? Herd immunity is the only way out of this mess, either by at least 70% of us getting it or a combination of natural and vaccine immunity. I hope to God they can make an effective vaccine but what if they can't? We're on our own to keep fighting it until the community immunity becomes protective. I agree with the measures in place to slow it down but that's all it's really doing is slowing it down so our hospitals are not overrun. My 89 year old friend who has advanced dementia said.. "we can only run for so long" those words hit me like a ton of bricks. This is just awful, if anyone would have told me this would happen I would have never believed it.
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Post by fullmahina on May 3, 2020 21:01:28 GMT
This is it, life as we know it has changed. ITA. Until there is a vaccine, we're not going back to "normal." We have a New Normal.
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Post by luanne on May 3, 2020 21:08:36 GMT
This is it, life as we know it has changed. ITA. Until there is a vaccine, we're not going back to "normal." We have a New Normal. Even after a vaccine I doubt we'll go back to the old "normal". There will be changes for years to come and we'll settle into whatever the "new normal" is......until we change again.
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Post by fullmahina on May 3, 2020 21:27:11 GMT
This is just awful, if anyone would have told me this would happen I would have never believed it. It seems like a horror movie, very unreal at times. Why do you say that? Herd immunity is the only way out of this mess, either by at least 70% of us getting it or a combination of natural and vaccine immunity. It's way tougher to provide herd immunity without a vaccine. This is a good explanation from an epidemiologist: www.sciencealert.com/why-herd-immunity-will-not-save-us-from-the-covid-19-pandemic
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Post by borntexan on May 3, 2020 22:32:55 GMT
In Texas the governor would never shut down the state.He left it up to the counties.Then he decides he has the power to open things back up slowly and that order supersedes any laws the counties have put in place.So since the governor said face masks are a suggestion not mandated our county judge rescinded his order mandating them. Now HEB can no longer tell people if they don't have a mask they can't shop in there.I have made the decision I'm going to continue to wear a mask.I know it won't protect me but I would feel horrible if I was a carrier and gave it to someone else.We are moving too fast too soon IMO. linda72 I heard there is a temporary law letting that strip club reopen in Harris County.Now that's really an essential business.LOL. At least Mayor Adler in Austin has been using common sense because Bastrop County sure hasn't been.
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